Dialects and lazy speech - there is a difference

Oh Hyacinth where's my smelling salts!

MissAdventure, put it there pal !
that is an americanism, used to denote friendly greeting with hand extended.
for those who need a translation.
at work we had a frequent complainer who would start every phone call with, this is mrs boss. spell it.
b-o-s-s. spell it ! she would insist that the person on the other end spelt it, although she and her name were well known. then she'd go on about having irritable bowel syndrome. nothing to do with local govt, whom she was ringing. a colleague on eventually managing to end the call, slammed down the phone and announced, i'm not surprised she's got irritable bowel syndrome; she bl--dy irritates me.

Irritable vowel syndrome.
I can't sleep.

Nor can I….

Crap, innit?
I'll pay for this by feeling terrible later.
My legs are all hot and itchy though.

Bad use of English right there.
My legs are all hot makes me sound as if I'm a centipede.

When I was 10 our family moved from the East End of London to the Essex Coast. I had an accent but my parents picked up on any dropped letters and my mother was particularly hot on what she called rude words. When I went to Grammar school I stood out like a sore thumb as my London accent was quickly picked up on and my speech corrected. I'm glad it was but it's not all gone and living in the North West now I'm told I have a London accent but a bit posh. DH comes from a different part of London and has no accent. I just want to fit in wherever I live. I certainly feel that any humiliation in my school days which there was was worth it as speaking clearly was a big help in my career. I enjoy regional accents but am definitely a member of pendants corner when it comes to Grammar especially on the BBC.

I didn't write "Ere, me old mucker, ave you eard about the quali'y ov mercy not bein strained? Yeah! It droppev as the gen'le rain..."
No I didn't. I spoke with a Midlands accent, so it would have sounded much more Black Country when I read it out.
Regards Wm Shakesper

I am a Yorkshire lass through and through and a lot of us ( not all ) drop of H's, but I am sure there is lazy pronunciation amongst.

It doesn't bother, I look on it like I'd be hypocritical when I don't speak Queens English myself.

GagaJo

This is regional English, in a place I used to work in.

A divvnt knar.

Haway wi wa

Ironically, I also taught a boy in Spain who spoke that dialect.

Howway mon are ye sayin we divna kna taak proper up 'ere.?

Local pronunciation such as the glottal stop is not lazy or stupid. What makes talk lazy and stupid are lies, limited vocabularies, poor reasoning, and lack of imagination.

Dialects are not the causes of the above. Ability to talk in a dialect is the same ability as fluency in any language.

Glorianny

GagaJo

This is regional English, in a place I used to work in.

A divvnt knar.

Haway wi wa

Ironically, I also taught a boy in Spain who spoke that dialect.

Howway mon are ye sayin we divna kna taak proper up 'ere.?

LOL It took me three months when moving up north to be able to understand my students. Fabulous kids though. The best.

Aveline

By the way paddyann who is this 'master at Westminster' who says we had to speak a certain way? Unfortunately you undermined your point.

I wonder if paddyann perhaps meant a hundred years ago or more, Aveline.

The same happened in Wales as the Welsh language was banned in any official documents, people speaking Welsh were not allowed in certain areas of employment.

Children heard speaking Welsh in school were forced to wear a Welsh Not even at the beginning of the 20th century. I remember a friend's mother saying she had to stand in the corner of the classroom with the Welsh Not around her neck as a punishment for speaking Welsh to another child.

Now, of course, every sign, every official letter, every official phone call is in Welsh first, English second.
Not easy when you're driving!

Nobody ever announced that colloquial Scots as spoken was banned by some 'master' at Westminster. Gaelic was only spoken in the West Highlands if that's what you mean. See Elegrans post.

Anyone pause to think that maybe paddyann just missed off an "s"? That she was talking about the perceived influence of anglo-centric UK and a single "proper" language?

Colloquial Scots was certainly banned when I was at school and it wasn't until relatively recently that I discovered it wasn't colloquial Scots at all, it was my mother tongue. And if you spoke your mother tongue, you got the belt.

The only thing worse than the masters in Westminster is the Scottish-cringe North Britons in Scotland.

We need some signs like that here

"Go raaaand 'ere and take the next left, soppy git"

So you had snobbish school teachers. That was down to them. Cringe if you want to. Not me though! Wha daur!

No, not snobbish school teachers. School teachers who had bought into the "Scots is slang" idea because that is what the establishment and the educational authorities had taught them. It was the sixties after all.

"Cringing" can include thinking that the Scots are just not bright enough to be trusted with running their own affairs, we need the English to show us what to do.

Nae cringin' in my house, not any more.

No. We need competent politicians to lead the country. No sign of that at all.

Well it's the same in the wider UK but we're not suggesting we go back to asking the Romans what we should be doing.

Wasn't there a Scottish writer who wrote his degree dissertation in Scots and the university refused to accept it until he was published and became a revered author when they suddenly decided it was OK. Might have been the poet Tom Leonard. I love this poem of his

Feed Ma Lamz
Amyir gaffirz gaffir. Hark.
nay fornirz ur communists
nay langwij
nay lip
nay laffn ina sunday
nay g.b.h (septina wawr)
nay nooky huntn
nay tea-leaven
nay chanty rasslin
nay nooky huntn nix doar
nur kuvitn thir ox
Oaky doaky. Stick way it
—rahl burn thi loata yiz.

Even a Glaswegian friend wasn't sure about "chanty rasslin"

I think that, wherever we lived in the UK, some schools did try to teach their pupils received pronunciation.

We had elocution lessons at my State school.
I don't think they were trying to make us sound like an aristocrat but rather to make us speak distinctly without a regional accent.

yggdrasil

I didn't write "Ere, me old mucker, ave you eard about the quali'y ov mercy not bein strained? Yeah! It droppev as the gen'le rain..."
No I didn't. I spoke with a Midlands accent, so it would have sounded much more Black Country when I read it out.
Regards Wm Shakesper

Who was himself from the Midlands, me duck.

Glorianny could it have been Irving Welsh (if it wasn’t Tom Leonard)
I have no idea, but it sounds like the sort of thing that Welsh would do

‘Duck’ is very much East Midlands.
Wlm S. is more likely to have said ‘chick’ or ‘bab’