Duke of Windsor - Traitor

I can remember asking my mother what "abdication" meant and she said it was "not doing your duty". It was only later that I found out what it realy meant.

I feel sorry for Mrs Simpson and the way she was demonised. I believe he threatened to kill himself if she ever left him so she was stuck with him. He was obsessed with her and comes across to me as a weak man. Im not surprised that the other royals were so implacable towards him.

In contrast his brother was thrust into a role he neither wanted not was prepared for and he made the best of it. Fortunately he had chosen the right wife. The queen mother was a very strong character in what was still very much a "mans world".

Just wondering how many these days actually read newspapers ? I think they are going the way of all things. We don’t get that Daily Wail here, doesn’t sound nice but then most news isn’t nice and news spruikers are all biased one way or another.

I agree biglouis ,the Duke was a very complex, weak character, easily flattered and totally obsessed by Wallis. Poor woman having embarked on what she and her husband, judging by others, believed would be a short lived affair,found herself embroiled with a man who became obsessed to the point of insanity that he threw everything over for her even threatening suicide. I expect she loved him up to a point,but it must have been a burden for her. Yes, King George was lucky with his wife, as Charles is with Camilla and William is with Catherine.

I just think its so sad that Charles did not marry Camilla when he first met her. She was not considered "grand" enough by the Royal family and she had a past. His marriage to Diana was a catastrophe. She was only 19 and found herself tied to a man who already had a longstanding mistress. Unlike those who went before her she was not prepared to "look the other way" and get on with it. Both Charles and Diana were manipulated by their heartless relatives.

Camilla chose to marry Parker Bowles. It's more complicated than you might think.

People want to believe the rubbish about Charles and Camilla
being madly in love from the day they met.

They were part of a country set, as was Anne who dated Parker
Bowles. Camilla wanted to marry Parker Bowles, she was in love with him.

Parker Bowles is Godfather to Zara, Charles is Godfather to
Tom Parker Bowles, They were all friends.

The Queen Mother, Anne, Margaret were guests at the Parker
Bowles wedding,

Friends with benefits as the young of today would call it.

What is interesting is that Prince Charles's g.g.grandfather Edward V11th and Camilla's g.g.grandmother Mrs Alice Keppel were,as they say, an item! What goes round, comes round?

Didn’t know adultery run through families from generation to
generation

I have just looked it up and apparently there is some indication it does!

Did you look up your own family Galaxy ?

Crikey.
No I looked up the research on it.

Who did the Queen, .Phillip, her parents , have affairs with ?

No idea I am talking about the general idea of adultery being genetic.

Research into this is in its early stages, so nothing definite but apparently there does seem to be a genetic tendency. Edward V11th was massively into adultery as were the sons of George 111rd, his g.uncles. George.111rd however, was not, nor was George Vth or V1th. I don't think HM has ever cast her eye, and Prince Philip doesn't really come into this as he was not a direct Hanoverian. I think it's probably like most things genetic, it pops up now and again, missing generations then reappearing. P.C and Camilla can't really be put into the same box as some of their forebears as theirs was and is a genuine love affair. The EdwardV11th- Mrs Keppel association is probably coincidence as they moved in the same circles,both then and now.

I certainly do not believe adultery is inherited down generations

I think its not too controversial to say that the parents behaviour (in whatever aspect of life) will have an impact on children.
I imagine it's a very interesting area of study, so it would be quite easy to say for example that Johnsons behaviours are caused by his childhood (and I frequently do say that!) but from what I can see the behaviour of his siblings is not particularly chaotic.

Yes parents behaviour do have an impact on their children , could be the reason Diana had so many affairs, her mother did leave their father for another man, Charles Spencer three wives, yet their two sisters long marriages

We have no idea what goes on in marriages though do we that's why it's a very difficult area to research. Just because a marriage is long doesnt mean it is good or does not include infidelity.

True so researching is pointless really , Victoria adored Albert ,
but did she ?

Jaberwok

I agree biglouis ,the Duke was a very complex, weak character, easily flattered and totally obsessed by Wallis. Poor woman having embarked on what she and her husband, judging by others, believed would be a short lived affair,found herself embroiled with a man who became obsessed to the point of insanity that he threw everything over for her even threatening suicide. I expect she loved him up to a point,but it must have been a burden for her. Yes, King George was lucky with his wife, as Charles is with Camilla and William is with Catherine.

I watched the programme yesterday. Quite shocking, really.

However, I am interested to know where the information about Wallis Simpson only believing her affair with Edward VII would be a "fling", has come from. Was it in a book, or another TV programme? I'd like to follow up on this, as I've only ever heard the view that she was a femme fatale who caused the downfall of the King.

After all these years correspondence and diary entrances have come to light especially from society people Lady Diana Cooper, Harold Nicholson, Duff Cooper and so on, that make fascinating reading, Once Edward V111,not V11th, became so obsessed with her, even threatening suicide if she left him, Wallis became extremely suffocated and bored by him and confided in friends that she wished she had put a stop to the affair way back. She had numerous affairs after their marriage, even periods of separation but she couldn't shake him!! Frankly I think we owe her a deal of gratitude for removing this weak petulant, and it now turns out, treacherous man, for the throne.

from, not for! grrrr!

Thank you. I've ordered a book about her to my Kindle, by Anna Pasternak, who featured in the Ch4 programme

That book is apparently brilliant, and enlightening!