Can't believe I am watching this !

Hey Elusivebutterfly - what about "Kind hearts and Coronets"?

Black and white typical Ealing (gentle) comedy with Dennis Price demonstrating his usual marvellously understated style.

Where I grew up was, racially, very mixed but also very tolerant. Well, apart from people like my mother.

I also get it maw and got it then.

There were race riots here too at about that time.

MawtheMerrier

^As for South Pacific - if people don't understand that it was exploring racism, referring in that song to how it was passed down the generations in America, then they miss the point entirely^
The Lieutenant truly loved the Asian girl but felt he could never marry her as his family's expectations were different.
The fact that Nellie did overcome her learned prejudices and marry her love, the father of two mixed-race children, is another reference to the racism which was accepted in America in those times.
The film makes a statement against racism
Thank goodness somebody gets it!

I got it when I first went to see South Pacific aged about 14.

FannyCornforth

Interesting Gransnet Fact:
You’re going to love this! 😍
Pheonix’s mother dated Jim Dale!
She mentioned it on the ‘Odd claims to fame’ thread.
I was incredibly impressed and asked Pheonix if her mother was very beautiful, and she replied that she thought that she probably was.

Oh yes, how could I have forgotten that!!

As for South Pacific - if people don't understand that it was exploring racism, referring in that song to how it was passed down the generations in America, then they miss the point entirely
The Lieutenant truly loved the Asian girl but felt he could never marry her as his family's expectations were different.
The fact that Nellie did overcome her learned prejudices and marry her love, the father of two mixed-race children, is another reference to the racism which was accepted in America in those times.
The film makes a statement against racism
Thank goodness somebody gets it!

Interesting Gransnet Fact:
You’re going to love this! 😍
Pheonix’s mother dated Jim Dale!
She mentioned it on the ‘Odd claims to fame’ thread.
I was incredibly impressed and asked Pheonix if her mother was very beautiful, and she replied that she thought that she probably was.

MawtheMerrier

Fleurpepper

Yes, watched South Pacific and was truly shocked. I did see it at the time, and it all seemed pretty 'normal' - but watching it again made me scream with 'colionialism' and out and out racism. How times changed - it really got to me.

Mind you, I remember cow-boys and Indian films in the 50s and actually believed the Indians were the 'baddies' and the cowboys the 'goodies'.

South Pacific also makes a strong point about racism and prejudice in the song “You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught” which was very enlightened for its period and considered radical in its exposure of racial issues on the American stage… the legend of Rodgers and Hammerstein's use of the Broadway theatre to make a courageous statement against racial bigotry is the very foundation on which the work is considered a classic.

But the Carry On aren't bad
They are send-ups and never meant to taken seriously!

Yes, I agreechestnut

As for South Pacific - if people don't understand that it was exploring racism, referring in that song to how it was passed down the generations in America, then they miss the point entirely.

The Lieutenant truly loved the Asian girl but felt he could never marry her as his family's expectations were different.

The fact that Nellie did overcome her learned prejudices and marry her love, the father of two mixed-race children, is another reference to the racism which was accepted in America in those times.

The film makes a statement against racism.

HowVeryDareYou

Are any/many of the Carry On cast still alive? I couldn't understand how any woman could have ever been attracted to Sid James

I heard a lot of noise of guns going off in the sitting room and said to DH "What are you watching?!"
It was Carry on Cowboy!

I sat with a cuppa and got strangely drawn into it 😁

I asked if any are still with us, HowVeryDareYou, I think Jim Dale is.

And I'd forgotten that Jim Dale is really rather handsome! 🙂

FannyCornforth

We should all (young, old, every thing in between) be able to understand history and context.
There are loads of things in the past, recent and not so recent, that are ‘shocking’.
It doesn’t mean that they should be hidden from view.

Of course not. But it does make you think, and that is good, surely? History is so often told, be it in history books, films, novels, etc- from the eyes of the 'conqueror/winner' and we used to accept this, to the extent that we did not even notice.

Nowdays, it truly 'jumps' at you, and as said in the OP, it is quite shocking. What is most 'shocking' is that it didn't shock- at the time.

MawtheMerrier

I give up.

Is that a promise?

Of course I am the same age group as most here, but quite capable of looking at things from the past and see it with the eyes and realities of today.

Can you imagine today the uproar if a mother from a colonised country 'gave' her child daughter to an army officer?

We should all (young, old, every thing in between) be able to understand history and context.
There are loads of things in the past, recent and not so recent, that are ‘shocking’.
It doesn’t mean that they should be hidden from view.

icanhandthemback

MawtheMerrier

The premise is good but I think there are some things in there that are still quite shocking to young people because they live in an entirely different world!
Don’t we all?

Yes but we have known different times, they haven't.

Fair enough, but we on GN are what we were talking about. I can’t imagine Fleurpepper fits the demographic to which you refer.

MawtheMerrier

^The premise is good but I think there are some things in there that are still quite shocking to young people because they live in an entirely different world!^
Don’t we all?

Yes but we have known different times, they haven't.

I give up.

Yes, the song, and the final outcome. NO, I didn't get the wrong end of the stick. But the very fact the song was needed, and the 'example' at the end- says it all.

As for the mother giving her child daughter to a USA soldier, it was, as said above truly shocking.

The premise is good but I think there are some things in there that are still quite shocking to young people because they live in an entirely different world!
Don’t we all?

MawtheMerrier

I think you may have missed the point Fleurpepper.

The premise is good but I think there are some things in there that are still quite shocking to young people because they live in an entirely different world!

I think you may have missed the point Fleurpepper.

Fleurpepper

Yes, watched South Pacific and was truly shocked. I did see it at the time, and it all seemed pretty 'normal' - but watching it again made me scream with 'colionialism' and out and out racism. How times changed - it really got to me.

Mind you, I remember cow-boys and Indian films in the 50s and actually believed the Indians were the 'baddies' and the cowboys the 'goodies'.

South Pacific also makes a strong point about racism and prejudice in the song “You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught” which was very enlightened for its period and considered radical in its exposure of racial issues on the American stage… the legend of Rodgers and Hammerstein's use of the Broadway theatre to make a courageous statement against racial bigotry is the very foundation on which the work is considered a classic.

I’m afraid I really didn’t like any of the above, not my type of humour. The worst of which being Til Death Us Do Part. I did like Tony Hancock though.
Doris Day - Calamity Jane, I have lost count how many times I have watched it.
Most old classic films are more my taste.

Yes, watched South Pacific and was truly shocked.

We went to see it at the theatre and took my son. He couldn't believe what he was seeing.

Yes, watched South Pacific and was truly shocked. I did see it at the time, and it all seemed pretty 'normal' - but watching it again made me scream with 'colionialism' and out and out racism. How times changed - it really got to me.

Mind you, I remember cow-boys and Indian films in the 50s and actually believed the Indians were the 'baddies' and the cowboys the 'goodies'.

did you forget the 'not'?

Another time, another world ...