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Marie antonette on bbc2

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travelsafar Sat 31-Dec-22 01:00:59

Have been binge watching this new series on catch up. I'm finding it a really good series, beautiful clothes and decor as set in Versaille....excuse spelling mistakes please. It is also a very good story line and if its based on truth, things I didn't know. If you like period drama I would highly recommend. 😊👍

Aveline Fri 06-Jan-23 11:10:28

I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a beautifully presented drama. I expect there'll be another series as this one ended quite well.

Fleurpepper Fri 06-Jan-23 10:18:17

Apart from her lover Count Fernsen, who does escape in time back to Sweden.

Fleurpepper Fri 06-Jan-23 10:09:20

Well at least with this story- no surprise about how it all ends for all of them ;) we know that.

volver Fri 06-Jan-23 09:41:06

It's not tosh at all.

I believe they call it "historical fiction".

MawtheMerrier Fri 06-Jan-23 09:38:32

Tosh is too kind a word for it.
Bridgerton, eat your heart out!

Fleurpepper Thu 05-Jan-23 22:02:43

Tonight's episode was much better, and I really enjoyed it. I am wondering when her love affair with Count Fernsen of Sweden will come about in the series.

biglouis Sun 01-Jan-23 01:08:44

I have watched 3 episodes and it seems about as close to history as "the Great" was to the rise to power of Catherine the Great.

Just for starters, Countess du Barry was never a friend who attemtpted to initiate Marie Antoinette into the art of seduction. MA barely spoke to her and then only under protest. According to etiquette du Barry could not speak in the presence and was a "non person" until MA acknowedged her. Under great protest and pressure from her mother the empress and the king MA uttered one impersonal phrase which translates as "There are many people at Versailles today". They were never friends.

Also the king (Louis XV) already had a wife. He was married to Marie Leszczyńska, daughter of the dethroned king Stanisław I of Poland. So he would never have offered to marry Mme du Barry even if he had been free to do so. Kings of France did not publicly marry their mistresses (although Louis XIV is reputed to have married Mme de Maitenon in secret when near the end of his life).

Caleo Sat 31-Dec-22 12:54:49

Sorry I confused the quotations from several grans. Gransnet is not geared up with quotation boxes for comparing of ideas.

Caleo Sat 31-Dec-22 12:52:36

Fleurpepper wrote:
"volver

((Caleo

What is the point of a play unless there is some truth in it?)

Entertainment?

confused)

Fair enough- but then why make it about a real historical figure. Just write a story, make it up, get the great locations, costumes and actors, and make it fun and entertaining.

I agree with Judy Dench."

Sheer entertainment is perfectly okay I agree. I think you can make entertainment about a real historical figure AS Long As you make it fully clear it's not historically true. For instance Rowan Atkinson playing the character of Shakespeare.

The character of Lady Macbeth in the famous play is not historically true but is true as aspects of the human psyche.

Aveline Sat 31-Dec-22 12:46:00

People have been entertaining other people since time began. From time to time real people are taken as jumping off points for stories and plays. Entertainment is an important part of human experience.
Don't forget that history is written by the victors. It's not necessarily accurate either.
Now. Back to Versailles...

volver Sat 31-Dec-22 12:40:59

Fleurpepper

volver

Caleo

What is the point of a play unless there is some truth in it?

Entertainment?

confused

Fair enough- but then why make it about a real historical figure. Just write a story, make it up, get the great locations, costumes and actors, and make it fun and entertaining.

I agree with Judy Dench.

Like that terrible example of how not to write a play, Macbeth?

Is that Judi Dench, well known for playing Lady Macbeth? The one who played Elizabeth I in Shakespeare in Love?

Fleurpepper Sat 31-Dec-22 12:31:38

volver

Caleo

What is the point of a play unless there is some truth in it?

Entertainment?

confused

Fair enough- but then why make it about a real historical figure. Just write a story, make it up, get the great locations, costumes and actors, and make it fun and entertaining.

I agree with Judy Dench.

Fleurpepper Sat 31-Dec-22 12:30:32

No, they were often plain propaganda, bought with heavy silver.

notgran Sat 31-Dec-22 12:26:56

volver

Caleo

What is the point of a play unless there is some truth in it?

Entertainment?

confused

Seriously Caleo ? Are we to take Shakespeare's plays (for example) as being truthful then?

volver Sat 31-Dec-22 12:16:57

Caleo

What is the point of a play unless there is some truth in it?

Entertainment?

confused

Caleo Sat 31-Dec-22 11:59:04

What is the point of a play unless there is some truth in it?

loopyloo Sat 31-Dec-22 11:23:26

Jusr thought, would she have travelled to Versaille without a female servant?.

volver Sat 31-Dec-22 11:01:18

Aveline

volver I suspect the unfortunate young couple were being pelted with sugared almonds for fertility.
Poor kids - I mean the happy couple. So very young and under such pressure.

Thanks Aveline smile

Shelmiss Sat 31-Dec-22 10:34:45

I’ve not seen this one yet, looking forward to watching it, but oh yes the Kirsten Dunst film is just wonderful!

Ailidh Sat 31-Dec-22 10:33:27

Loved episode one. Almost as much as the Kirsten Dunst film which I can watch any number of times.

Aveline Sat 31-Dec-22 10:26:42

volver I suspect the unfortunate young couple were being pelted with sugared almonds for fertility.
Poor kids - I mean the happy couple. So very young and under such pressure.

Joseanne Sat 31-Dec-22 10:20:19

Fleurpepper

Joseanne

Not much different from Emily in Paris!
Enjoyed both for what they are.

Was Emily a very important historical figure though?

Yes, perhaps the fact I have studied her life for a long time has influenced my perception.

Pas du tout, BUT Emily was an influencer!

Fleurpepper Sat 31-Dec-22 10:18:00

Joseanne

Not much different from Emily in Paris!
Enjoyed both for what they are.

Was Emily a very important historical figure though?

Yes, perhaps the fact I have studied her life for a long time has influenced my perception.

Kate1949 Sat 31-Dec-22 10:14:19

Crossed posts notgran

Kate1949 Sat 31-Dec-22 10:13:18

I enjoyed it. Many years ago I read a book (a novel) about her by Annunziata Asquith. I burst into tears at the end. I am lucky enough to have been to Versailles. Such opulence. No wonder there was a revolution.