Happy Valley

I'm not saying it's easy but surely Catherine can "do" hard conversations and surely a conversation about not how someone is conceived but how they grow and who they become is more useful than shutting him out.

Callistemon21

Would any child want to know that he was born as a result of rape? How does she begin to tell him that?

Also, I seem to remember that Catherine took on the responsibility of Ryan as a baby, but partly out of a sense of duty. I think in series one, her feelings towards him were a bit conflicted. Didn’t the husband leave her over it, he couldn’t accept him (Ryan)?

( I haven’t re-watched the first two series, and my memory might be incorrect).

Yes, he is left wondering.

Mind you, a savvy teenager would have googled all the newspaper reports so I find it inconceivable that he knows nothing.

X post - he refers to Ryan.

I think NotSpaghetti has a point.

Ryan is 16 now, thinks he’s grown up. Yes, it would be hard to hear how he was conceived, but half truths and incomplete facts don’t help.

No wonder he doesn’t realise what Tommy is capable of.

Iam64

Annie was kidnapped and raped by Tommy. Her dad is Nev who was blackmailed . Catherine cracked the case and rescued Annie
Nev permanently grateful.

Ah - thank you.

Callistemon21

Would any child want to know that he was born as a result of rape? How does she begin to tell him that?

I agree Catherine is perfectly capable of having difficult conversations. Also, Ryan needs to know everything now he's started forming a relationship with his father. Time to open that can of worms and give him the full story in every gory detail.

Six episodes!
Thank you.
Perhaps they will develop Tommy's role a bit more now as he just seems to lie on his bed looking menacing at present.

Ey up lasses.

I've been wondering - I think it's Ryan who's said (twice now) that 'revenge is a dish best served cold' - could he be cooking up a violent action against TLR?

Yes, he did, didn't he.

Perhaps he's the one lulling Tommy into thinking he wants a relationship with him?
Perhaps he knows what Tommy did (he's not stupid, he can Google) and wants to avenge his mother?

The chemist has some gloves and shoe covers, Ryan! Your Gran might have a forensic suit!

I ws sure I’d seen this, but was delighted to find I hadn’t, and what I had seen was another programme Sarah Lancashire was in called Kiri, so that’ll be my next rewatch! I’ve got so used to bingeing that I take it ill to have to wait a whole week.
Also, while I agree Sarah Lancashire is excellent, I think Siobhan Finneran desrves more credit for het performance.

Callistemon21

Yes, he did, didn't he.

Perhaps he's the one lulling Tommy into thinking he wants a relationship with him?
Perhaps he knows what Tommy did (he's not stupid, he can Google) and wants to avenge his mother?

The chemist has some gloves and shoe covers, Ryan! Your Gran might have a forensic suit!

Never thought of that..? Ryan avenging his Mother. Yes..
I reckon Tommy will meet a nasty end.
Brilliant stuff.

It's not going to be easy, though, as Tommy will be handcuffed to prison wardens the whole time

Now, how is Ryan going to manage this and get away with it?

It’s so good that we are all talking about it, all gripped and impressed by the acting and writing - fabulous
Also we get to hear northern women and see the moors 💖

And if he does anything nasty to TLR but gets caught Callistemon21 he'll be branded a psychopath just like his dad - ooh 'eck.

Oh no, lovebeigecardigans - a bad 'un just like his Dad. Bad blood etc

I don’t believe Ryan is plotting revenge. I fear he’s fallen for his dad telling him he loved his mum. He’s not been given information till now about his mum’s suicide and he doesn’t know about the alleged rape, which Tommy will deny,of course.
I hope he’s just trying to make sense of his life and who he is. The Tommy’s of this world cause untold damage and only care about themselves ( me, judgemental? )

I think the PE teacher, who is getting friendly with Ryan, will be understandably angry when he finds out what’s happened to his wife. Knowing that Ryan’s dad is in prison, perhaps he’ll get Ryan to ask Tommy how he can avenge his wife’s death……

Sarah75

I think the PE teacher, who is getting friendly with Ryan, will be understandably angry when he finds out what’s happened to his wife. Knowing that Ryan’s dad is in prison, perhaps he’ll get Ryan to ask Tommy how he can avenge his wife’s death……

I think the PE teacher may find himself charged with causing her death unless he can prove he was elsewhere.

I’m sure you’re right Callistemon. The time of death may coincide with the timescale of the creepy/angry teachers intense discussion where Ryan shared his circumstances and the teacher responded entirely inappropriately by telling Ryan his marriage is unhappy.
That session looked too much like grooming to me

Just re watched series 1 in tandem with this latest series. I’d forgotten most of the first series, it certainly helps put pieces of the jig saw together.
I’ll recap series 2 now.

That session looked too much like grooming to me
Yes, it was disturbing.

Callistemon21

Sarah75

I think the PE teacher, who is getting friendly with Ryan, will be understandably angry when he finds out what’s happened to his wife. Knowing that Ryan’s dad is in prison, perhaps he’ll get Ryan to ask Tommy how he can avenge his wife’s death……

I think the PE teacher may find himself charged with causing her death unless he can prove he was elsewhere.

Ah, yes, that’s a possible outcome….

I'm not going to speculate because I don't want to work it out before it happens! I like things to be a surprise. I never watch next week's preview, never ever.

Chestnut

I'm not going to speculate because I don't want to work it out before it happens! I like things to be a surprise. I never watch next week's preview, never ever.

Gransnetters write them, didn't you know? 😁