well, here it is, Harry interview itv 9pm

Joseanne

Thank you Glorianny. So from the early 2020 Oprah interview to last night's Tom Bradby interview did you not notice a shift in Harry's attitude? From being reluctant to disclose much information earlier on but going in all guns blazing now, particularly on his brother and Camilla? Some of the personal stuff he was bringing up last night showed far more of his anxieties, I thought.

We all shift attitudes Joseanne it's part of being human.
Televised interviews are highly dependant on who is interviewing, the purpose of the interview, and the sort of impression the producers want to project.
Of course he was reluctant to disclose in the OW interview, he would already know he intended to release a book.

ronib

OnwardandUpward

If I was KC I would be looking at getting him into a treatment centre for assessment, rest, recuperation and support.

If he carries on in this disordered way, who knows who he will damage next. He's already put himself and his family in danger because he is not acting in the best interests of himself or his family.

No doubt terrible things have happened, for example Jeremy Clarkson's vile comments.

Even KC3 can’t have PH treated by a psychiatrist as PH is over 18 without PH’s agreement.

Seems possible that
1. PH could have a treatable condition such as schizophrenia or psychosis and anti psychotic medication is usually prescribed. Talking therapy is not appropriate at the moment.
2. It’s very distressing for the family of PH and everyone probably feels quite helpless.
3. PH is very much in the public eye and that might delay effective treatment.
4. I recognise that the RF is unlikely to be reading our advice and we all need to concentrate on our own health issues!
Any mental health nurses on GN?

Not from this distance, unfortunately. If PH was in this country KC might be able to get him sectioned if he didn't agree to have voluntary treatment or assessment.

In the UK, a person who is sectioned will normally have been visited by several different MH practitioners first to assess them. They will have been encouraged to go voluntarily so they don't have to be sectioned, but if they are deemed to be so ill that their refusal causes much concern then they can have a section applied and be forced to have treatment.

I'm not a MH nurse, but my son was sectioned. He blames me for it, but as I have told him many times no one can arrange for a relative to be sectioned if they are not ill. indeed no one's relative can be sectioned unless several Dr's recommend it and if voluntary treatment is turned down. We are not in Victorian times now and the only people who get put into hospital are those deemed ill enough by the assessments of the many MH practitioner who visit.

Glorianny what proof do you have to substantiate your statement?

I’m not diagnosing anything either, but I don’t think there is anything baffling about the fact that women with sons of around Harry’s age seeing a clearly vulnerable and unhappy (by his own admission) young man will express concern.

I am far from being a royalist, but can feel sympathy on a human level, and there is no point in apportioning blame, as none of us knows more than anyone else about what happened, and in any case, what is distressing to one person can wash over another so even if we’d witnessed it all we’d be no wiser.

Retired mental health nurses are not qualified to diagnose as you should know if you are interested in mental health. Even a qualified psychiatrist would hesitate to diagnose just by watching a TV interview.
Diagnosing any mental health issue involves long and detailed interviews and observation. It can't be done in a few minutes.

Thank you Glorianny. So from the early 2020 Oprah interview to last night's Tom Bradby interview did you not notice a shift in Harry's attitude? From being reluctant to disclose much information earlier on but going in all guns blazing now, particularly on his brother and Camilla? Some of the personal stuff he was bringing up last night showed far more of his anxieties, I thought.

Galaxy

I think some of those antiquated attitudes include the idea that random people can 'guess' that someone has schizophrenia, similar to all those people who are able to magically diagnose autism via the internet. I have no idea why we have such long waiting lists for assessments, completely unnecessary apparently.

Well actually if you are having a psychotic attack, it’s very unlikely that you would be on a long waiting list for assessment. You would be down at the local a&e with the duty psychiatrist.

Glorianny

I have watched the Oprah interview, the netflix series and the latest interview.

The things I know about the RF are simply discovered by a quick Google search.

I don't expect the RF will be abolished in my lifetime, so I largely accept it as something totally irrelevant to my life.

I certainly find the idea that you can diagnose mental health issues from a televised interview totally baffling. But the real mystery for me is why anyone is so emotionally involved in Harry's life.
I wonder if what underlies it is the knowledge that actually the harm that has been done to this man is not just the fault of his family but caused by all who gobble up the press articles and, the intrusive photographs which made his childhood difficult, documented the death of his mother and threatened his wife. It is the ultimate in victim blaming.

I have not watched the Netflix series, Oprah or latest interview but I caught a snippet of PH on the news.
I am not involved with the PH saga but I am interested in the way mental health works in this country. I have not diagnosed at all but asked if there were any mental health nurses on GN. I wouldn’t expect there to be any retired consultant psychiatrists on this site. It would be good to have a professional view on the way PH presents himself. I hope though for everyone’s sake that he gets better soon.

ronib

GagaJo forgot to add that hearing voices as PH suggested is one of the signs of schizophrenia. I tried to avoid watching the full interview but that snippet was a red flag.

Not when you're using drugs rnib it's quite a common experience.
Hearing voices when you are not using can be a sign of schizophrenia, but Harry was using.

I think some of those antiquated attitudes include the idea that random people can 'guess' that someone has schizophrenia, similar to all those people who are able to magically diagnose autism via the internet. I have no idea why we have such long waiting lists for assessments, completely unnecessary apparently.

I have watched the Oprah interview, the netflix series and the latest interview.

The things I know about the RF are simply discovered by a quick Google search.

I don't expect the RF will be abolished in my lifetime, so I largely accept it as something totally irrelevant to my life.

I certainly find the idea that you can diagnose mental health issues from a televised interview totally baffling. But the real mystery for me is why anyone is so emotionally involved in Harry's life.
I wonder if what underlies it is the knowledge that actually the harm that has been done to this man is not just the fault of his family but caused by all who gobble up the press articles and, the intrusive photographs which made his childhood difficult, documented the death of his mother and threatened his wife. It is the ultimate in victim blaming.

GagaJo forgot to add that hearing voices as PH suggested is one of the signs of schizophrenia. I tried to avoid watching the full interview but that snippet was a red flag.

GagaJo it’s not a judgement to say that someone might have schizophrenia or psychosis . It’s actually a kindness because with the right treatment, a good quality of life can be restored and life can lived again.
If you want judgements, Dr Starkey and Nigel Farage on GB news were in full swing.

I believe this country has very antiquated attitudes towards mental illness.

Callistemon21

^People are Royalists or not^

Not necessarily. Some people don't really care one way or another.

However, everyone might have a view on a man who turns on his family and very publicly exposes them to unsupported accusations because of his own unresolved issues, whoever that family may be.

OK, I expressed that poorly.

Royalists -- or not Royalists -- or don't care.

Yes, it seems many people might have a view on PH "Spare".

Daddima

Can someone explain to me exactly what the purpose of the Netflix show/book/interview is?
As far as I know, they wanted a ‘half in, half out’ membership of the Royal Family, and to spend half their time in the UK. When told this was not acceptable, they decided to move to USA and become financially independent.
So, why the need to tell ‘their truth’ now? Is it for revenge, or to try to force the ‘institution’ to let them back in? Why the need to try to curry favour with the British people? I really don’t see what they hope to achieve ( apart from the dosh, obviously). None of the revelations have been exactly earth shattering, and I really can’t see the point of them ( again, apart from the dosh).

Anybody?

And, Germanshepherdsmum, I said the same thing as you did yesterday, as to me he has just stirred up a whole lot of aggravation for no reason, well, none that I can see anyway, so I think the impact on his mental health could be huge.

lemsip

in the american interview harry was asked about the passage in his book that ran down william, here it is

When asked by Cooper about a particularly 'cutting' passage in his book in which he details his brother William's 'alarming baldness' and his 'famous resemblance' to their mother Princess Diana - which the Duke wrote was 'fading with time, with age' - Harry claimed he saw nothing 'cutting' about that passage, nor any other in the memoir.

'I don’t see it as cutting at all,' Harry fired back.

Interesting.

William is balding, how is that 'running down' or 'cutting'?

Sounds factual, to me. I wonder why anyone would care to that bit? But I haven't read this baldness drivel, until just now.

And, may I add, possibly exposes his own wife and family, the veterans he served with and perhaps those who compete in the Invictus Games to possible danger because of his lack of basic common sense.

People are Royalists or not

Not necessarily. Some people don't really care one way or another.

However, everyone might have a view on a man who turns on his family and very publicly exposes them to unsupported accusations because of his own unresolved issues, whoever that family may be.

ronib

OnwardandUpward

If I was KC I would be looking at getting him into a treatment centre for assessment, rest, recuperation and support.

If he carries on in this disordered way, who knows who he will damage next. He's already put himself and his family in danger because he is not acting in the best interests of himself or his family.

No doubt terrible things have happened, for example Jeremy Clarkson's vile comments.

Even KC3 can’t have PH treated by a psychiatrist as PH is over 18 without PH’s agreement.

Seems possible that
1. PH could have a treatable condition such as schizophrenia or psychosis and anti psychotic medication is usually prescribed. Talking therapy is not appropriate at the moment.
2. It’s very distressing for the family of PH and everyone probably feels quite helpless.
3. PH is very much in the public eye and that might delay effective treatment.
4. I recognise that the RF is unlikely to be reading our advice and we all need to concentrate on our own health issues!
Any mental health nurses on GN?

Do you think this of Charles, Diana, Andrew and any other royals that have given televised interviews? Or are you reserving judgement for Harry?

lemsip

Glorianny

Well amazing how many GNers are experts on therapy, body language and mental health issues.
If Harry had grinned all the way through the interview he would have been criticised for not taking things seriously. Have a serious face and he can't be happy.
He stated very clearly why he has written Spare and made the documentary, so that he can move on. He may have said things that don't suit some peoples perceptions, his truth may not be someone else's. But anyone with any knowledge of people's experiences and how they report them will know that no two people see any event exactly the same. It's his life story, he has a right to tell it. And those people condemning him and trying to pretend they are concerned about him would do better confronting their own prejudices and consider what it is in them Harry has disturbed.

oh get over yourself .

You too lemsip.

OnwardandUpward

If I was KC I would be looking at getting him into a treatment centre for assessment, rest, recuperation and support.

If he carries on in this disordered way, who knows who he will damage next. He's already put himself and his family in danger because he is not acting in the best interests of himself or his family.

No doubt terrible things have happened, for example Jeremy Clarkson's vile comments.

Even KC3 can’t have PH treated by a psychiatrist as PH is over 18 without PH’s agreement.

Seems possible that
1. PH could have a treatable condition such as schizophrenia or psychosis and anti psychotic medication is usually prescribed. Talking therapy is not appropriate at the moment.
2. It’s very distressing for the family of PH and everyone probably feels quite helpless.
3. PH is very much in the public eye and that might delay effective treatment.
4. I recognise that the RF is unlikely to be reading our advice and we all need to concentrate on our own health issues!
Any mental health nurses on GN?

Iam64

Volver - I confess to not always agreeing with you so I think this means I won’t be accused of being your wingman/person, whatever that is.

A word of thanks from me for your determination to discuss PH and his difficult life experiences in a calm, non judgemental way.

Glorryannie - same to you, thanks for seeing Harry’s struggles without resorting to rubbishing him and his attempt to tell his truth.

People are Royalists or not -- does everyone good to read all sides, volver helps provide that. I read here for the differing opinions. Posters need not be rubbished for their different views -- we're not all from the same mould.

At the very least, Harry's debacles may be helpful to posters who "have no idea what went wrong" and refuse to self-examine.

From the extracts of the book that I have seen I have the feeling that someone has been doing a lot of digging. "Ooh Harry more details, give us more details" "Ooh Harry give us some random embarrassing facts about your brother"

I don’t claim to be an expert on MH issues and therapy. But I have never understood why PH developed PTSI following the death of his mother. Royal children are brought up by nannies and sent to boarding school aged 7. Surely the death of one of his nannies would have been more traumatic ? If I remember correctly PD had been absent for around 3 months before her premature death. In other words, how well did PH actually know his mother ? She of course never missed a photo opportunity ( with the tabloid press ! ) on their rare days out ! However, he is clearly very troubled and angry at the moment. Having alienated most of his family and lifelong friends, someone decided it would be a good idea to publish the memoir of his 38 years so far. What has been revealed so far has shown him to be disloyal , misogynistic , reckless , racist , unbelievably self centred and untrustworthy. ( I could go on ! ) Who actually edited his book, we know it was written by a ghost writer, but surely PH and MM read it first ?! It must surely show even his most ardent supporters what a thoroughly obnoxious human being he is. I would not want to be married to him, the question is, will MM ? Especially as he has now jeopardised his American citizenship with revelations about his drug taking and more seriously endangered his family’s lives with his crass comments about human ‘ chess pieces ‘ taken out when he was a helicopter pilot ( ? )

Perhaps clarification is needed whether volver and Glorianny have watched the Oprah interview, the Netflix docuseries and Tom Bradby's interview? Then discussion becomes more meaningful.