well, here it is, Harry interview itv 9pm

Well you are all going to have at least another five years of agonising debate on PH so I suggest you learn to pace yourselves. It’s going to get very tiring.

Not interested in the sociology of it all then ronib

Galaxy

I am not sure I am defending him but I cant understand how anyone is surprised. There was bound to be some impact from what happened in their childhood, I dont mean just his mothers death but all the unending mess that preceded it.

I don't think he has done the right thing writing this book nor was the Oprah interview a good idea either.

Whoever advised them this would be beneficial, the fact he didn't realise these revelations might cause problems with his family is surprising.
Perhaps it's cathartic.

The media does have a lot to answer for, living your life with the paparazzi constantly in your face from childhood wherever you go, intruding on your family, not allowing you to live a normal life must be stressful, even terrifying.

OK volver let's turn this round. Rather than your laughing at what has been said here today, in what way do you think Harry could have put his case across better to his own family, who let's face it appear to be the ones annoying him most?
Would he not have been better putting his energies into finding a way to speak privately with them, even if they made him sign a non disclosure confidentiality type agreement?
Sadly Harry can't change what happened to him within the family in the past, but why jeopardise his future and his popularity?

Good posts Iam64 and Callistemon.

Iam64

Not interested in the sociology of it all then ronib

It’s precisely because of the sociology of it all that I am flagging it up.

If you have heard of the expression spin on it, let’s just say you’ve been spun.

ronib

Well you are all going to have at least another five years of agonising debate on PH so I suggest you learn to pace yourselves. It’s going to get very tiring.

I don’t think so ronib. I think we’re now at Harry Max, the royals have weathered the storm and aren’t going to respond, so it’s all going to die down again. I doubt he is going to be given additional potential ammunition for books 2 and 3. Im probably the only one but I’m glad that’s the case as I’m sick of it all.

Casdon I would like you to be right but you forget that Penguin Random House have signed up for two more books. I happen to know that publishers are not really the nicest people in the world and they are not going to give up on the deals.

Casdon

ronib

Well you are all going to have at least another five years of agonising debate on PH so I suggest you learn to pace yourselves. It’s going to get very tiring.

I don’t think so ronib. I think we’re now at Harry Max, the royals have weathered the storm and aren’t going to respond, so it’s all going to die down again. I doubt he is going to be given additional potential ammunition for books 2 and 3. Im probably the only one but I’m glad that’s the case as I’m sick of it all.

Oh, hang on a minute, Casdon, I'm only just catching up with the Netflix because DH has gone out!! 😀
Half watching, skimming through.

The curtsey thing was ridiculous. Meghan was trained in royal protocols.

The whole situation is ReMarkleable

ronib

Casdon I would like you to be right but you forget that Penguin Random House have signed up for two more books. I happen to know that publishers are not really the nicest people in the world and they are not going to give up on the deals.

I happen to know that publishers are not really the nicest people in the world

Oh, really?

They're lovely people. 🙂

Well you might be.. but a lot would sell their grandmothers

Don’t ask

OK!

Sorry, I only know editors - oh, perhaps that's what Harry's book needed.

A good editor who would instantly pick up on discrepancies, time shifts, location shifts etc.

Yes editors are nice people. The managing directors are not.

Interestingly the DM comments seem to show that a lot of people consider M to be the ghost writer sharing her memories but making it sound like his. They think that she is massively jealous of Kate and claim that the kind of details about the bridesmaids dresses would not be written about by a man or remembered.

Who knows? Apparently there are quite a few other discrepancies and yes an editor would have been good.

"The media does have a lot to answer for, living your life with the paparazzi constantly in your face from childhood wherever you go, intruding on your family, not allowing you to live a normal life must be stressful, even terrifying."

I agree Callistemon that's why people are finding it puzzling that he is perpetuating those very conditions in his adult life.
He claimed to want to get away from the "goldfish bowl" life that he felt was damaging. Most people were sympathetic to that understandable desire and took his words at face value.
Everything he has said and done since seems to contradict that statement. It points to him wanting to keep the high profile, the money, lifestyle and the prestige that allows him a platform but at the same time being able to fully control the press and media as sees fit. Most of his anger seems to come from his desire to get rid of a free press and his failure to achieve that.

^I agree Callistemon that's why people are finding it puzzling that he is perpetuating those very conditions in his adult life.
He claimed to want to get away from the "goldfish bowl" life that he felt was damaging. Most people were sympathetic to that understandable desire and took his words at face value.^

I think the press intrusion was dreadful for Meghan too so I can't understand why, when they left, they continued to pursue publicity, did not perhaps renounce all titles etc and live a quieter and happy family life in America.

Yes, it is puzzling.

It sounds mad to say it because I too believed they wanted to be left alone, but maybe they wanted to be chased?

After all, if you're "chased" you might get paid for stories etc.

Galaxy

I am not sure I am defending him but I cant understand how anyone is surprised. There was bound to be some impact from what happened in their childhood, I dont mean just his mothers death but all the unending mess that preceded it.

I agree with you Galaxy but would add that judging from my experience of teaching in a deprived area when I was working, there are a great many children who suffer as much and more terrible experiences during their childhood, and they do not have the wealth and privilege that Harry enjoyed to buffer them from these experiences. Take for example the five year old I taught, whose father stabbed his best friend to death over a slice of pizza, in the flat where this child was sleeping in the next room. The police and emergency services came with all the attendant noise and confusion and the father was of course arrested and subsequently convicted and imprisoned. A distraught mother, a missing father, blood everywhere, police, social workers, a tiny flat, no garden, a life on benefits.
I’m sorry, but I find it very difficult to have any sympathy for Harry with his hard done by stories.

He was such a lovely little boy too, who sweetly told me that ‘daddy is away working in London.’

Aww poor lad Maddyone.
Some people have had such tough lives.

I have worked with families for thirty years, I wont describe some of their situations but it is one of the reasons I am not in the slightest bit surprised what has happened to Harry. In the same way I wasnt the slightest but surprised (although utterly saddened) by what happened with the Geldof family, money often doesnt stop the damage.

Thanks Galaxy, I read maddy one’s post and fiubd myself remembering similarly traumatic events in the lives of children I worked with. Financial poverty adds a dimension. Wealth doesn’t diminish the harm experienced by children in their families.
The RF is no exception.