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The Long Shadow on ITVX

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Iam64 Thu 05-Oct-23 08:51:17

I’ve only watched episode one. It’s good and reflects social attitudes of that time fairly accurately.
Kadinsky, read any gransnet thread about young women/adolescent girls being sexually exploited and see many posts blaming those girls for lifestyle choices

Sex workers in towns like the ones the ripper operated in Will mainly be addicted to drugs, so probably get even less sympathy.

Kandinsky Wed 04-Oct-23 19:18:29

If this happened today, I doubt the general public would have much sympathy for the sex workers.
Some attitudes never really change.
The police wouldn’t be so obvious about it though.

Iam64 Wed 04-Oct-23 19:03:42

My earlier point about the ‘girls’ welcoming the police presence is something i remember

Sparklefizz Wed 04-Oct-23 19:00:21

I think this series will win awards. It's very powerful, well acted and scripted.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 04-Oct-23 18:40:49

I’m enjoying the series. The policemen were probably typical of their time, and of course negative attitudes towards sex workers haven’t gone away all these years later, in both men and women. We’re just more careful about what we say.

Anniebach Wed 04-Oct-23 18:10:50

Yes I am Iam , unmarried mothers were still being judged

Iam64 Wed 04-Oct-23 18:06:29

Annie, I think you’re making the point that negative attitudes to sex workers existed then, as it does now, in women as well as men.

Anniebach Wed 04-Oct-23 18:03:41

1970’s, 1980’s, women didn’t judge prostitutes ?

Sparklefizz Wed 04-Oct-23 17:44:14

Oreo Not all policemen were the same back then, just as they aren’t now either.Remember this is a dramatisation of events.

Oh, I know all about misogyny in the police force unfortunately for me. I was married to a detective in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

Oreo Wed 04-Oct-23 16:56:38

Not all policemen were the same back then, just as they aren’t now either.Remember this is a dramatisation of events.
Good acting all round I could watch Toby Jones, Lee Ingleby and David Morrissey acting all day long.
What a monster Sutcliffe was.

Sparklefizz Wed 04-Oct-23 16:40:55

Goodness me, this series is not doing my blood pressure any good. Not only the tension generally, but I am finding myself furious with the way women were treated back then (even though I lived through it myself at the time but somehow was less aware back then) and also furious with the stubbornness and downright stupidity of the police. Grrr! angry

But it is definitely an excellent piece of television.

Iam64 Tue 03-Oct-23 18:11:10

Yes of course I do BlueBelle. The culture within which they work should create a workplace where racism, misogyny etc are unacceptable. My experience of police training was it aimed to achieve that.
These private whatsap groups we’ve all been disgusted by highlight just how awful some attitudes are

As in other key agencies, training in police forces had its budgets slashed. I know training isn’t a magic wand but it does mean attitudes are challenged

BlueBelle Tue 03-Oct-23 17:53:43

Don’t you think part of being a policeman it adhering to rules that may not come naturally to you *iam64
A policeman in his private opinions may not be very sympathetic towards prostitutes but he would need to rise above his personal feelings within his job the same as a surgeon may not have much time for a drug addict but he/ she would use the same care operating on them as on a Prince

Iam64 Tue 03-Oct-23 17:38:56

In fairness, the police are drawn from society so there will be some attitudes I find offensive. Much like some of the comments on forums seeking to blame women for the bad behaviour if men

sodapop Tue 03-Oct-23 17:33:06

I've watched the first two episodes as well, sparked memories of all the news items and stories which were around at the time. I agree with others about the attitude of the police at the time. For some officers sadly not a lot seems to have changed.

Iam64 Tue 03-Oct-23 17:32:05

I lived in Whaley Range during the ripper years. Large Victorian, Edwardian houses often now multiple occupancy. I walked my 6 year old to school, along a road of good 1930’s owner occupied houses. My neighbours were teachers, doctors etc. this is only relevant because we mothers were constantly asked by men in expensive cars as we escorted our children, safety in groups “are you working love, how much’. I don’t know anyone who allowed their children to walk to school without an adult.
We were very relieved by the visible police presence, as were the ‘working girls’.

Coolgran65 Tue 03-Oct-23 17:30:28

Excellent. I agree the attitude of the police is awful.

MerylStreep Tue 03-Oct-23 17:28:52

Watched the whole series. I run out of swear words Re the attitude of the police.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 03-Oct-23 17:20:07

I have watched the first two episodes, what stands out for me is the attitude of some of the police officers because the women were prostitutes.

Despite the subject matter I am enjoying it.

Sparklefizz Tue 03-Oct-23 17:16:51

Anyone watching The Long Shadow about the women killed by the Yorkshire Ripper and the police investigation? All episodes are now available on ITVX.

Like most people I remember the Yorkshire Ripper and the investigation but I had 2 babies during those years so I was quite busy, and it's been interesting to learn more details and to remind myself of the misogyny back then.

Yes, it is a depressing subject but very well acted with a good cast and absolutely gripping.