The Reckoning - Savile

Yes I read it, I do not believe the claims of the producers

Anniebach

The producers had access to Savile’s papers ?

Did you read Caravansera's link, Annie. It's all in there.

Did these friends say they had ‘suppressed feelings’ ?

Probably all knew each other and were ‘friends’. That’s the problem, people turn a blind eye and if they hadn’t things might not have progressed the way they did. Not suggesting these people were part of his disgusting life, just that they knowingly suppressed feelings of things being ‘not quite right’. If you feel those instincts they should be investigated, not suppressed because the person is famous, a do- gooder
or high profile. I think lessons should have been learnt by this but because of the worship of celebrities by so many it won’t be and it will most likely happen again.

The producers had access to Savile’s papers ?

Notes from the the Prince of Wales to Savile uncovered by the producers [of the Netflix documentary] show that over the course of about 20 years Savile became an unofficial adviser to Charles. They shed light on the extent to which the disgraced former television presenter was able to influence the highest offices of the British state before his death in 2011.

More here:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/06/prince-charles-repeatedly-sought-jimmy-savile-advice-documentary-claims

Anniebach

A good chance Andrew knew Savile because Savile was a good friend of Charles and Diana, it must follow that Charles and
Diana knew Epstein because Andrew was a friend of Epstein’s

I'm not sure of your point.

I doubt it

I recall the Netflix documentary revealed that Savile was requested by the then Prince Charles to work with Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson on their public image after a series of public gaffes.

A good chance Andrew knew Savile because Savile was a good friend of Charles and Diana, it must follow that Charles and
Diana knew Epstein because Andrew was a friend of Epstein’s

Savile was good friends with Price Charles and Diana, so there is a good chance that he knew Prince Andrew too.

There is footage of him with Glitter (I think in the Netflix documentary) making inappropriate comments when surrounded by young fans. It's horrible to watch, and should have been uncomfortable at the time, but the general attitudes to women, and the 'it's only banter' meant it was swept under the carpet.

nanna8

I bet Prince Andrew was a friend,too.

That is a rather unkind and defamatory remark with absolutely no basis of fact. It's highly unlikely as they were not the same type of people at all. I have seen Savile with Glitter though. I would imagine they had much in common.

Very uncomfortable to watch, Steve Coogan really inhabited the Savile persona, his performance was quite brilliant in how he conveyed the true horror of his warped character.

I’ve never really seen Steve Coogan in anything but have to say he is creepily excellent in this role. From what I have read he didn’t do it for the pleasure or the money. I know many people feel that this has been done before but I think that it’s totally worthwhile if it helps to protect anyone from being abused. This still goes on and anything that raises awareness is good in my book.

‘Light Entertainment’. - always had a very dark side

Always disliked him, creepy and weird, how anyone would trust a child with him I don't know. There's a couple of others on TV that I would not trust as far as I could throw them either but they seem popular, I can't watch them or this series. The victims must be scarred for life and I think it's too soon to be shown in respect to them.

I bet Prince Andrew was a friend,too.

BlueBelle

dickens I don’t understand your point to me about the Catholic Church ?????

... I don't think I made a comment about the Catholic Church to you, or anyone, in fact, I haven't mentioned the Church at all - have you mixed me up with someone else?

dickens I don’t understand your point to me about the Catholic Church ?????

DrWatson

For Primrose, indeed, never liked Coogan. However, the comment re "BBC" forgets -- as do a whole mass of other commenters (Dickens, Lizzie, lots more!!) that JS had the powerful protection of the Royal Family, and the wretched Thatcher, who all thought he was great for all the charity stuff.

He could at any time refer to them for a handy reference -- and reportedly did just that as needed, as one or two in the NHS either knew or suspected his 'dark side', but could do very little as he could play his Royals and/or Maggie 'joker' at any time!

And for BlueBelle, and "Catholic Church" - well, don't forget their disgusting behaviour, (& the Anglicans are little better!) over a huge period of time for hiding pervert priests away from the forces of law and order.

For Primrose, indeed, never liked Coogan. However, the comment re "BBC" forgets -- as do a whole mass of other commenters (Dickens, Lizzie, lots more!!) that JS had the powerful protection of the Royal Family, and the wretched Thatcher, who all thought he was great for all the charity stuff.

I hadn't forgotten about his 'connections' with the RF - that's what I meant when I said "hobnobbing" with the "high and mighty".

There's so many aspects to this vile period of abuse by this vile man that it's impossible to cover them all.

I bet there are plenty more like Saville- think it was the norm back in the day to sleep with young groupies. . Can’t watch TOP without thinking that 😩

Was Steve Coogan in the film “Philomena” with Judi Dench?
I thought he was very good in it.

I remember a NHS nurse from Ireland from some documentary or other years ago, who used to follow JS around the wards in the hospital as he reminded her of the priest in Ireland.
She used to “pop in” to the rooms and wards he was in, and fix something around the patient so they weren’t left alone.

I suppose she left Ireland because of sexual abuse in her own childhood, and that perhaps was the reason why she so aware of how these so called pillars of the society aka predatory men operate.

For Primrose, indeed, never liked Coogan. However, the comment re "BBC" forgets -- as do a whole mass of other commenters (Dickens, Lizzie, lots more!!) that JS had the powerful protection of the Royal Family, and the wretched Thatcher, who all thought he was great for all the charity stuff.

He could at any time refer to them for a handy reference -- and reportedly did just that as needed, as one or two in the NHS either knew or suspected his 'dark side', but could do very little as he could play his Royals and/or Maggie 'joker' at any time!

And for BlueBelle, and "Catholic Church" - well, don't forget their disgusting behaviour, (& the Anglicans are little better!) over a huge period of time for hiding pervert priests away from the forces of law and order.

I agree with chestnut, can’t sweep this behaviour under the rug- there was a drama on about the Rotherham Asian grooming gangs, nobody dare say anything about them for being deemed racists- but it still goes on! Youngsters need to be aware of the dangers- not just about sexual exploitation but alcohol, drugs, etc.

When my son passed out as a Royal Marine the reception was held in the Savile Suite at the RM Training Centre - there was a huge picture of him above the bar. I don't remember how Savile inveigled his way into the Marines - but the room has since been renamed