The day the Queen died.

What Diana didn’t know was that she wouldn’t be loved by Charles.

Diana knew, grew up in Sandringham, brother Godson of the
Queen, father equerry to the Queen, brother in law private Secretary to the Queen.

Glorianny

Rosie51

Glorianny

Joseann

I'm not quite sure what career you expect these ladies to have Glorianny?
There are those of us who could make a good career out of selecting our wardrobe, making people smile, a bit of acting in public, studying the constitution, reading up on visits etc. as well as looking after the kids.
My brain is never bored or boring, even though my proper job has now trailed off. I felt just as fulfilled and successful either way, whatever my rôle in relation to DH's.

I've no idea, but I suppose you wouldn't expect every woman to be happy doing what you chose to do? Some women might choose not to have a career, not all women do.

Any adult with half a brain would know what marrying into the Royal family would entail, and the possible restrictions on their life. Chelsy Davy, reportedly Harry's first real love, knew she wasn't able to commit to the exposure and lifestyle expected of her and their relationship broke down. Harry apparently wasn't prepared to abandon the privileged lifestyle to be with her. Some women are prepared and able to make those adjustments for the man they love. Happens with the wives of men in many occupations, military wives, clergy wives just two examples.

That's a bit out of date most vicar's wives have jobs now, as do a lot of military wives. In fact they get help finding jobs discovermybenefits.mod.gov.uk/army/families/spouse-partner-employment/

Yes vicar's wives have jobs, jobs that they have to leave when the religious leader gets appointed to a new area. Within the Methodist Church that's every 7 years. A woman, or man who marries a Methodist minister has to accept they'll be going to pastures new every 7 years, with very few exceptions.

Forces personnel often have postings to different areas and countries, if the families go with them the spouse has to change jobs. They know this from the outset. They make an informed adult choice. As does any person marrying another, they make informed adult choices.

Any woman or man marrying into the Royal family who was unaware of the restrictions must be either living in a bubble or somewhat self-deluded.

Rosie51

Glorianny

Joseann

I'm not quite sure what career you expect these ladies to have Glorianny?
There are those of us who could make a good career out of selecting our wardrobe, making people smile, a bit of acting in public, studying the constitution, reading up on visits etc. as well as looking after the kids.
My brain is never bored or boring, even though my proper job has now trailed off. I felt just as fulfilled and successful either way, whatever my rôle in relation to DH's.

I've no idea, but I suppose you wouldn't expect every woman to be happy doing what you chose to do? Some women might choose not to have a career, not all women do.

Any adult with half a brain would know what marrying into the Royal family would entail, and the possible restrictions on their life. Chelsy Davy, reportedly Harry's first real love, knew she wasn't able to commit to the exposure and lifestyle expected of her and their relationship broke down. Harry apparently wasn't prepared to abandon the privileged lifestyle to be with her. Some women are prepared and able to make those adjustments for the man they love. Happens with the wives of men in many occupations, military wives, clergy wives just two examples.

That's a bit out of date most vicar's wives have jobs now, as do a lot of military wives. In fact they get help finding jobs discovermybenefits.mod.gov.uk/army/families/spouse-partner-employment/

Glorianny

Joseann

I'm not quite sure what career you expect these ladies to have Glorianny?
There are those of us who could make a good career out of selecting our wardrobe, making people smile, a bit of acting in public, studying the constitution, reading up on visits etc. as well as looking after the kids.
My brain is never bored or boring, even though my proper job has now trailed off. I felt just as fulfilled and successful either way, whatever my rôle in relation to DH's.

I've no idea, but I suppose you wouldn't expect every woman to be happy doing what you chose to do? Some women might choose not to have a career, not all women do.

Any adult with half a brain would know what marrying into the Royal family would entail, and the possible restrictions on their life. Chelsy Davy, reportedly Harry's first real love, knew she wasn't able to commit to the exposure and lifestyle expected of her and their relationship broke down. Harry apparently wasn't prepared to abandon the privileged lifestyle to be with her. Some women are prepared and able to make those adjustments for the man they love. Happens with the wives of men in many occupations, military wives, clergy wives just two examples.

Rather amusing, Sarah was almost bankrupt? the sucker of her toes was her financial advisor!

Nearly,

Anniebach

Sarah has certainly had success from her 10 year marriage, as
The Duchess of York.

She almost went bankrupt
www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/aug/08/sarah-ferguson-bankrupt-debts-millions#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20later%20with,year%20from%20her%20divorce%20settlement.!!

Joseann

I'm not quite sure what career you expect these ladies to have Glorianny?
There are those of us who could make a good career out of selecting our wardrobe, making people smile, a bit of acting in public, studying the constitution, reading up on visits etc. as well as looking after the kids.
My brain is never bored or boring, even though my proper job has now trailed off. I felt just as fulfilled and successful either way, whatever my rôle in relation to DH's.

I've no idea, but I suppose you wouldn't expect every woman to be happy doing what you chose to do? Some women might choose not to have a career, not all women do.

Sarah has certainly had success from her 10 year marriage, as
The Duchess of York.

Joseann

I'm not quite sure what career you expect these ladies to have Glorianny?
There are those of us who could make a good career out of selecting our wardrobe, making people smile, a bit of acting in public, studying the constitution, reading up on visits etc. as well as looking after the kids.
My brain is never bored or boring, even though my proper job has now trailed off. I felt just as fulfilled and successful either way, whatever my rôle in relation to DH's.

Most jobs involve some acting, don't they, especially if they are public facing..

Teaching, hairdressing, shop workers, so many require putting on a face for the public, diplomacy, even if you don't feel like it!

I'm not quite sure what career you expect these ladies to have Glorianny?
There are those of us who could make a good career out of selecting our wardrobe, making people smile, a bit of acting in public, studying the constitution, reading up on visits etc. as well as looking after the kids.
My brain is never bored or boring, even though my proper job has now trailed off. I felt just as fulfilled and successful either way, whatever my rôle in relation to DH's.

Casdon

I take MissAdventure’s point, this isn’t what the thread is about, and I’m sorry for rising to the bait.
This is my last post, so I’ll make it clear what I meant, which was that men joining the royal family are expected to conform, not just women. I wasn’t talking specifically about having their own careers as you interpreted it, I was talking about conforming to loyalty and behavioural standards, aka not selling stories and gossiping to other people to undermine other members of the family. If you want names, I’m thinking of Mark Phillips, Tim Lawrence, Beatrice, Eugenie and Zara’s husbands. Royal women do work too of course, either as working members of the royal family, or in their own careers.

Well I wasn't talking about gossip, stories told to the press, or any information about anyone in the RF, which features in any media outlet
Mark Philips had (and still has) a career in the horsey world
Tim Lawrence had a naval career then went on to have a career in property management.
Mike Tindall ghas a successful media career, appearing on reality shows etc.

Not one woman who married into the RF has kept a career of her own going.

Harry or Haz or H ?

Anniebach

Strange question

Not strange at all. Harry’s wife is Meghan, not Megan.

I watched the programme ( remember the programme, the one this thread was about?), and found it very interesting, though there was no mention of the lying-in-state in Edinburgh.

And, Frogoet, what is CHC?

‘Unlike my mum and probably yours she worked hard and still ended up only getting CHC when past knowing.’

I take MissAdventure’s point, this isn’t what the thread is about, and I’m sorry for rising to the bait.
This is my last post, so I’ll make it clear what I meant, which was that men joining the royal family are expected to conform, not just women. I wasn’t talking specifically about having their own careers as you interpreted it, I was talking about conforming to loyalty and behavioural standards, aka not selling stories and gossiping to other people to undermine other members of the family. If you want names, I’m thinking of Mark Phillips, Tim Lawrence, Beatrice, Eugenie and Zara’s husbands. Royal women do work too of course, either as working members of the royal family, or in their own careers.

Strange question

Harry’s wife

Who is this Megan you keep referring to * Anniebach*?

Megan said she left the U.K. because she wasn’t allowed to stay home to look after her children ?

Best give up Glorianny

Casdon

Glorianny

Callistemon21

It's not just marrying into a family, though, is it Glotianny.

It's marrying into The Firm too and all that entails.

We don't really know what goes on in the family behind closed doors either, only what some staff have reported when they sell their lurid stories to the highest bidder.
Some people even believe the Crown is true 😁

But I'm not really interested in what goes on behind closed doors. I do find it interesting that the men who marry into the RF retain careers or independent lives whereas the women don't. (and if you doubt this look into the careers of Princess Anne's husbands). The only real options for them being charity work and public appearances, and those being limited to ones considered acceptable to The Firm's public image. Unless they leave the Firm- so Diana adopted Aids and Land Mines both considered a bit radical at the time.
Other RFs have family members who have proper jobs.

What you seem to be interested in is twisting the truth to make it fit your reality though Glorianny.
You introduced feminism into a thread which was not about that. You have convinced yourself that women entering the royal family are somehow meek victims of the system, but don’t acknowledge that being part of the system means you have to behave by the etiquette rules rather than that you can’t have a career. The same applies to the men. The most senior royals have a choice to be a working royal or not. What really surprises me as that as a feminist you don’t support a woman’s wish to remain at home to care for her children whilst they are young if she chooses to do so, never mind that working royals all have a job to do so pursuing a separate career is not possible.

Of course a woman can stay at home and look after her family. Isn't that exactly what Meghan is doing? Could she have done that in the RF? She didn't think so.
Men may abide by the etiquette rules but have careers.
I'm still waiting for a man who didn't, except for Philip who adapted the rules to suit himself. Your argument seems to be that I am twisting the truth but you appear to be unable to support your own theories with examples.

Well, this thread has taken a different and unheard of path...
Not!

What an example, Diana was struggling with mental illness ,
Fergie should have kept her toes in her shoes, Megan a stranger
to truth

Glorianny

Callistemon21

It's not just marrying into a family, though, is it Glotianny.

It's marrying into The Firm too and all that entails.

We don't really know what goes on in the family behind closed doors either, only what some staff have reported when they sell their lurid stories to the highest bidder.
Some people even believe the Crown is true 😁

But I'm not really interested in what goes on behind closed doors. I do find it interesting that the men who marry into the RF retain careers or independent lives whereas the women don't. (and if you doubt this look into the careers of Princess Anne's husbands). The only real options for them being charity work and public appearances, and those being limited to ones considered acceptable to The Firm's public image. Unless they leave the Firm- so Diana adopted Aids and Land Mines both considered a bit radical at the time.
Other RFs have family members who have proper jobs.

What you seem to be interested in is twisting the truth to make it fit your reality though Glorianny.
You introduced feminism into a thread which was not about that. You have convinced yourself that women entering the royal family are somehow meek victims of the system, but don’t acknowledge that being part of the system means you have to behave by the etiquette rules rather than that you can’t have a career. The same applies to the men. The most senior royals have a choice to be a working royal or not. What really surprises me as that as a feminist you don’t support a woman’s wish to remain at home to care for her children whilst they are young if she chooses to do so, never mind that working royals all have a job to do so pursuing a separate career is not possible.