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The day the Queen died.

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Serendipity22 Sun 04-Feb-24 19:15:07

Lastnight i watched a programme on channel 4 or 5 titled The day the Queen died. It reduced me to tears and a real sorrow that it was almost like a member of my own family, but in some way, I suppose she was ( obviously not in blood ).

It was really interesting to know how it affected the reporters, the in's and out's of all preparations for that day, the reporters are human too and it was moving to hear their own personal feelings.

I did get a slight feeling that a couple of reporters felt somewhat sorry for how the whole day played out fir Harry ( as some of you know I am in Harry's corner and will remain there )

I am glad I watched the programme.

crazyH Sun 04-Feb-24 19:26:12

And why did they tell Harry not to bring Megan? Just because Kate was busy with school duties, it doesn’t mean that Megan should keep away as well. Don’t understand that, unless I’ve missed something here …..

Anniebach Sun 04-Feb-24 19:41:28

Had not Megan accused the family of racism, The Queen’s response’recollections may vary’

Smileless2012 Sun 04-Feb-24 19:46:08

Yes she had Annie among other things.

Anniebach Sun 04-Feb-24 19:48:32

Yes, her passport had been taken off her, yet she flew to America for a baby shower

merlotgran Sun 04-Feb-24 19:55:28

crazyH

And why did they tell Harry not to bring Megan? Just because Kate was busy with school duties, it doesn’t mean that Megan should keep away as well. Don’t understand that, unless I’ve missed something here …..

They probably didn’t want private grief and details of a sad, historic occasion sold to the highest bidder.

Smileless2012 Sun 04-Feb-24 20:02:22

That's a very good point merlotgran.

Anniebach Sun 04-Feb-24 20:07:04

He has written in his book about him viewing the Queen body and what he said to her,

Cold Sun 04-Feb-24 20:41:50

crazyH

And why did they tell Harry not to bring Megan? Just because Kate was busy with school duties, it doesn’t mean that Megan should keep away as well. Don’t understand that, unless I’ve missed something here …..

I don't think I'd want someone sitting by my deathbed who had accused me of racism, said that I had forced "generational pain" onto my children and grandchildren and had sold family gossip to Oprah (Omid Scobie, Netflix specials etc etc) while my husband, the Duke of Edinburgh was dying.

None of the other grandchildren went apart from William and Harry. I think the Princess of Wales agreed to step back rather than have King Charles having to deal with a "not fair" tantrum.

Why would any of the family trust her?

Question is why would Meghan even want to go when she obviously despised the Queen and was keen to sell nasty stories about her? Was it to sell the story for a Netflix special?

Glorianny Sun 04-Feb-24 20:46:02

Cold

crazyH

And why did they tell Harry not to bring Megan? Just because Kate was busy with school duties, it doesn’t mean that Megan should keep away as well. Don’t understand that, unless I’ve missed something here …..

I don't think I'd want someone sitting by my deathbed who had accused me of racism, said that I had forced "generational pain" onto my children and grandchildren and had sold family gossip to Oprah (Omid Scobie, Netflix specials etc etc) while my husband, the Duke of Edinburgh was dying.

None of the other grandchildren went apart from William and Harry. I think the Princess of Wales agreed to step back rather than have King Charles having to deal with a "not fair" tantrum.

Why would any of the family trust her?

Question is why would Meghan even want to go when she obviously despised the Queen and was keen to sell nasty stories about her? Was it to sell the story for a Netflix special?

Perhaps Meghan wanted to support her husband as he stepped into the lion's den.
The Queen might have been dying, the rest of the people who bullied and threw them out were still there.

Anniebach Sun 04-Feb-24 20:50:17

Glorianny you compared The Princess of Wales with a 1950’s housewife. You admire Megan highly

M0nica Sun 04-Feb-24 20:51:58

They did not tell Harry not to bring Meghan. Robert Hardman gives a detailed description of what happened in his new biography of King Charles.

To be honest, why should she be there? Other grandchildren and there spouses weren't there and both Harry and his wife had decided they didn't want to be royal anymore and had made a new home for themselves in the USA.

Calendargirl Sun 04-Feb-24 21:47:29

This was the second time the programme was shown. I wasn’t going to watch it again, but not much else on and to be honest, I found it just as riveting the second time around.

Am not at all surprised the family didn’t want Meghan there. Why on earth would either she or Harry think it appropriate for her to make an appearance on the Queen’s deathbed when they have done nothing but bad mouth the hand that fed them? Harry yes, he was still her GS, but Meghan and her crocodile tears? No way.

Am sure Catherine would have been welcome, but I imagine she, William and Charles all felt it was tactful for her to remain at Windsor ‘ being with the children as they were starting a new school’.

Anniebach Sun 04-Feb-24 21:53:06

The Queen had 4 granddaughters why should Megan come before them

Catherine was the future Princess of Wales,

aonk Mon 05-Feb-24 08:40:26

Catherine is known as a devoted mother. Starting a new school is a big deal for children. Also the Queen’s decline was very sudden leaving no time for plans for childcare to be made. She needed to be with the children to inform them of the death of their Great Grandmother and prepare them for the mourning period.

Glorianny Mon 05-Feb-24 08:56:13

Anniebach

Glorianny you compared The Princess of Wales with a 1950’s housewife. You admire Megan highly

Don't "admire" either of them. I just find it offensive that the only acceptable role for a woman in the RF is to walk behind her husband and smile sweetly. It's the 21st century. Women mean more than that.

Joseann Mon 05-Feb-24 09:02:43

I don't get it, not that it really matters. But Charles told Harry that, "No other wives were coming." So within the group, Catherine wasn't coming, Sarah F wasn't coming, but ..... Sophie Wessex was???

Anniebach Mon 05-Feb-24 09:16:08

Harry claims Charles said Sarah Ferguson was going to Balmoral? How strange

Glorianny wives in the royal family do not walk behind their
husbands

merlotgran Mon 05-Feb-24 09:20:40

Where was Princess Anne’s husband in all this?

Joseann Mon 05-Feb-24 09:25:37

Anniebach

Harry claims Charles said Sarah Ferguson was going to Balmoral? How strange

Glorianny wives in the royal family do not walk behind their
husbands

Charles didn't mention Sarah, just "no other wives". I know technically she wasn't his wife, but undoubtedly his partner. Charles was happy enough to have Camilla support him before they were married. But I know what you mean.
I still think Charles worded it poorly.

Anniebach Mon 05-Feb-24 09:30:49

Joseann Sophie was a daughter in law, was very close to the Queen who had known her for about 30 years, Megan wasn’t
close to the Queen, why should the Queen not have had her
daughter and two daughters in law at Balmoral when she was dying?

Lexisgranny Mon 05-Feb-24 09:34:30

It’s very sad to think that in the hours after death of a loved one, you have to pick your words carefully to an adult child, who as ‘form’ for repeating conversations for monetary gain. I am not a particular Charles fan, but he was not only a grieving son, but a man who had to deal with matters of state, the thought of the oncoming state funeral as well as his personal loss and the knowledge of the duties that lay ahead.

Lexisgranny Mon 05-Feb-24 09:38:52

Ps. I would add that I think a big mistake made was that travel arrangements were not set in place for Harry to travel to Balmoral. This would, presumably not gone down well with some members of the royal family, so perhaps it might have meant a separate plane to get him there. Yes there would have been an outcry, but that would not have lasted as long as the saga that we have now.

Joseann Mon 05-Feb-24 09:44:57

Anniebach

Joseann Sophie was a daughter in law, was very close to the Queen who had known her for about 30 years, Megan wasn’t
close to the Queen, why should the Queen not have had her
daughter and two daughters in law at Balmoral when she was dying?

But isnt that starting to sound like Charles laying out his reasons which Harry found nonsensical, and disrespectful? At a time like this, just say, "Sophie is the only wife coming, so not Catherine, not Meghan"

Joseann Mon 05-Feb-24 09:50:27

I agree * Lexisgranny*. The lines of communication between father and second son had long broken down, so pussyfooting around was not necessary. According to Harry, Charles starting saying discourteous things about Meghan. I have my doubts whether that is true, but in my opinion the conversation might have been a bit too nuanced.