When Evil Came to Rochdale

JamesandJon33

I once took a child home from school, as he was ill. There were two, floor to ceiling book cases in their living room, each side of the fireplace. Chockablock with porn and horror films.

This is awful. I assume they were videos, so a while ago?
Not that it makes any difference, as now people go on the internet for this type of material.
Which actually means they can keep it hidden better.

Commonground

In 2013, after the sudden death of my husband, children's services became involved with my family. I remember seeing a report, after a new social worker visited my home. She had written "Query Satanism- skulls etc" I never saw her again, and I assumed that the social workers who were already working with us had dismissed her concerns.

I dread to think what they would have made about us then.
As my children collected interesting debris on our frequent walks to a local beach. Which comprised of many things, but several different sizes of bleached sheep and or bird sculls and skeletons, became the favourites.
They were arranged in size order on top of the piano, for all to see!😄

More to question what is happening full stop in Rochdale lot of questions about this town

If Witches&Co were not allowed, how did they cope with Hallowe'en?

Maremia

If Witches&Co were not allowed, how did they cope with Hallowe'en?

Not to mention the fact that there are some fairly violent and gruesome things in the bible!

Nannashirlz

More to question what is happening full stop in Rochdale lot of questions about this town

I expect thousands of folk are going about their business just like you and I?

zakouma66

Nannashirlz

More to question what is happening full stop in Rochdale lot of questions about this town

I expect thousands of folk are going about their business just like you and I?

I’m sure thousands are innocent citizens but it only takes a dozen creeps or criminals who get caught to give a place a bad name.

Namsnanny

Commonground

In 2013, after the sudden death of my husband, children's services became involved with my family. I remember seeing a report, after a new social worker visited my home. She had written "Query Satanism- skulls etc" I never saw her again, and I assumed that the social workers who were already working with us had dismissed her concerns.

I dread to think what they would have made about us then.
As my children collected interesting debris on our frequent walks to a local beach. Which comprised of many things, but several different sizes of bleached sheep and or bird sculls and skeletons, became the favourites.
They were arranged in size order on top of the piano, for all to see!😄

Do you remember the fashion, not so long ago, when skulls were printed on t shirts etc.?

Thankfully none of my DGC liked it! 💀☠

I do not think claims and stories of Satanic abuse should be dismissed as fabrication. What, in our seemingly 'safe' little worlds proves to us that this does not happen? Why complacently assume such stories must be dramatic inventions? Of course there are such utterly evil people out there. However, such people probably have a certain amount of power, and may have more control of our institutions than we think. Having said that, Social Services, it would seem, also has too much power, sometimes seizing children for very slender reasons, subsequently settling matters in secret courts, so we do not know what is really going on. Witches, celebration of Halloween, magic, Harry Potter - all of that is totally different from devil worship. These things are not evil because they depart from mainstream beliefs. Wicca, Druidry, and other forms of paganism are diametrically opposed to 'Satanism' for a theological force of evil does not have a place in such belief, which is about love for Nature and the expansion of the human spirit. But Satanism most definitely exists, and is, by definition, evil. It seems hard to be sure what, exactly, is going on in this story, but I think an open mind coupled with common sense is a good approach. Lurid books and skulls do not make a Satanist - they are cleverer than that.

The Rochdale cases were dismissed but I have no doubt that sadly, awful things are going on.

I am Pagan and I have vivid memories of "the Satanic Panic." I had young children at the time and so did several of my Pagan friends, and we felt that there was a real danger of losing our kids if we were open about our faith. Of course, Satanism has nothing to do with the Pagan faiths such as Wicca, Druidry, the Norse tradition, etc. Satan, under one name or another, features in Christianity, Judaism and Islam, but not in Paganism. We don't believe in him (or give the idea any thought, to be honest), therefore we neither fear nor worship him.

However, the evangelical Christians who seemed to be driving the panic didn't differentiate between Satanism and Paganism as religious concepts. To them, we were (and are) all devil-worshippers. Nor did the police or Social Services apparently have any awareness or, at times, much common sense. For instance, I remember one family being accused of possessing an inverted cross, until it was pointed out that it was the struts of a children's kite!

There was also a discussion programme where a young woman, supported again by supposedly God-fearing Christians, described in detail how she had been raped by Satanists and had given birth to several children who had then been sacrificed. She also claimed to have seen other human sacrifices. She seemed obviously disturbed but her claims were treated with great seriousness and she was encouraged to elaborate on them. These stories continued in the media until the police stated that she had been examined, she had never given birth and there was no evidence that the Satanic cult had ever existed.

Some people in authority, here and in the USA, who should have been more sceptical seemed to go a bit insane at that time. The sad thing was the damage that was done to innocent families.

Sadly, there is no doubt that some adults will use anything within their power to frighten and control children. Heaven help the adults charged with trying to make sense of the things terrified, damaged children tell them

There were over 12,000 allegations of Satanic abuse during the panic, all investigated and none of them substantiated. In cases where there was genuine child abuse, such as a very bad case in Nottingham, the supposed Satanic elements were found to be non-existent. Investigators were criticised for having been distracted from the real crimes.

The majority of cases involved totally innocent people and were the result of a moral panic which affected social workers, police officers, lawyers, psychologists, etc. It was driven by religious fundamentalism but it spread beyond the evangelical community to the authorities. . Families were torn apart by a modern version of the witch craze.

Rochdale is also notorious for the MP that the Telegraph described as a "serial paedophile to whom the establishment turned a blind eye"
But he was a white member of the establishment who went for little boys, who was knighted despite people coming forward to say what he had done, why is everyone just mentioning the Asian grooming gangs, why not mention him too. Horrendous for all the victims whoever did it but can I spy some racism here omitting mention of him. I've read that it was so well known in the town children were told to have nothing to do with him.
And he as doing what he did when there was all the satanic abuse hysteria

oodles - it was exactly as you say, his abuse of boys well known. People working in the care homes he regularly visited were told ‘don’t let Cyril be alone with boys”
There were two excellent police investigations. ‘Men in suits from London’ took the paperwork, warned the team of detectives never to speak of it or face the sack and imprisonment

What a creep.
😱
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/18/cyril-smith-serial-paedophile-establishment-turned-blind-eye/

Those poor boys must have been terrified sitting ducks for this monster. The Liberal Party never threw him out did they?

I must Google that.

Yikes.

“ the Crown Prosecution Service said the decision taken in 1970 would not have been made today.

In 1972, having returned to the Liberal fold, Smith was elected MP for Rochdale and was appointed party whip in 1975.

His Westminster role afforded him even more power and influence and coincided with an increase in his abusing.

One of his main targets became Knowl View residential school, in Rochdale, which catered for boys aged between seven and 16. He had been part of the campaign to see it established, was present at its official opening and became an all too frequent visitor, especially at night.”

Yes very old news.

Old news but still important Granniesunite. Police involved in these two investigations remained haunted by their inability to get justice for the boys/young men who were brave enough to come forward.

How could it happen that the police did all they could and those terrified little boys had the courage to speak out, yet that evil creep walked free. You have to conclude, its who you know and what you have that stopped justice, I hope he’s not resting in peace.

Allsorts, ‘men in suits from London’ stopped the prosecution. The police team were warned not to speak of it. They were angry and felt guilty the young men were let down

Iam64
What a shame the men in suits weren’t around when Carl Beech was making his horrendous claims against innocent high profile politicians.

www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/ex-wife-vip-paedophile-ring-4454295

I suspect Mi5 knew about Beech and were well aware of long standing rumours about paedophiles at Westminster. It will have suited some purposes not to allow the kind of excellent work done by detectives in Bury/Rochdale on Smith repeated.
There was one apartment block used by officials named by various children over many years. The same names, including Smith were mentioned repeatedly.
My response to the first reports on Beech was to conclude he’s a fantasist. I feared once he was unmasked as such, safeguarding, investigations of networks would be put back. That’s what happened. I can’t understand why the detectives involved didn’t check his history, his medical records as his claims were fantastical

it is almost as if focussing on horrendous and OTT stuff like satanic abuse, for which there seems to have been little evidence, was a distraction fto take attention from the likes of CS [and JS] whose antics were ignored because, well why do powerful people manage to get away with stuff like that, but if made up stuff is taken seriously, people will concentrate on that instead. Like a lot of things, I guess there may be the very occasional true satanic abuse/black magic incident. And this obviously ought to be put an end to, but raids like in Rochdale and Orkney were beyond belief, what it did to the poor children snatched from their parents, or the families even when they got them back, I don't know but any such trauma will have long lasting effects.
It is also horrendous for someone wrongly accused of abuse, and everything should be done to investigate claims
But when there are so many people independently saying the same thing about someone, bells should have started ringing. Dr Shipman too was suspected of dodgy doings by not only another doctor, but an undertaker and local patients who called him Dr Death, but their concerns were ignored. Had he not forged the will and had the daughter of the lady not been suspicious, and a lawyer, he might have continued with his dreadful practice for many more years, it took a forged will to put an end to things. the powers that be have a poor track record of listening to people who suspect wrongdoing, look at those who suspected Lucy Letby, and the policeman who was pretty sure that Peter Sutcliffe was the Yorkshire ripper, basically told to shut up and they'd be in bother if they said anything more

Callistemon21

Namsnanny

Commonground

In 2013, after the sudden death of my husband, children's services became involved with my family. I remember seeing a report, after a new social worker visited my home. She had written "Query Satanism- skulls etc" I never saw her again, and I assumed that the social workers who were already working with us had dismissed her concerns.

I dread to think what they would have made about us then.
As my children collected interesting debris on our frequent walks to a local beach. Which comprised of many things, but several different sizes of bleached sheep and or bird sculls and skeletons, became the favourites.
They were arranged in size order on top of the piano, for all to see!😄

Do you remember the fashion, not so long ago, when skulls were printed on t shirts etc.?

Thankfully none of my DGC liked it! 💀☠

Just saw this Callistemon

My daughter had a bib for her 3 month old many moons ago, which was black (there was a fashion to dress babies in black ), with sculls in white on it.

She said she was given it and hadn't really look closely at it, too tired.

That such a thing was made was mind boggling to me - who ever wants babies covered in sculls?

Anyway, I didn't mention it, her brother did. Not my baby not my problem, although I detested seeing it on a lovely beautiful baby