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Wolf Hall - Season 2 - The Mirror & the Light

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Sparklefizz Sat 10-Aug-24 08:36:01

I have started rewatching Wolf Hall on iPlayer, and after googling I've discovered that Wolf Hall - Season 2 - The Mirror & the Light will be released later this year. Only a few months to wait for those of us who are Hilary Mantel/Thomas Cromwell fans.

And the next bit of good news is that the wonderful Mark Rylance will still be playing Cromwell. He is such an excellent actor with the most expressive face. He doesn't need to say anything, his face says it all.

sandelf Mon 16-Dec-24 16:30:55

I was rather dreading the final episode and a possible 'head in the basket' moment. Need not have worried about that. BUT this was the most sublime acting I've ever seen, on the part of all the cast. A very sad episode. In a good way.

Ilovecheese Mon 16-Dec-24 16:20:17

All those Gransnetters who don't pay the licence fee have missed a treat.

MayBee70 Mon 16-Dec-24 16:15:34

Ilovecheese

merlotgran

I was surprised to see Cromwell kneeling at the block still wearing his outer clothing with his hair loose. How could the executioner see his neck?

There has been so much attention to detail throughout that I wondered if this would really of happened.

I have read before that the executioner have to have three goes with the axe before the head was severed.

I read that Norfolk and his cronies paid the executioner to make it as painful as possible. Norfolk himself went on to escape execution because Henry died before the date of it had been set.

foxie48 Mon 16-Dec-24 15:53:11

Wow, what a brilliant series, definitely the BBC at it's finest. Mark Rylance was exceptional and his performance in the last episode was riveting as was the script. How sad that Hilary Mantel was not alive to see this, her writing required some commitment from the reader but once I began to savour the language rather than rush to follow the story, I was totally hooked!

Calendargirl Mon 16-Dec-24 15:09:47

he still wore his doublet

Was it the purple one though?

Oreo Mon 16-Dec-24 15:05:06

We watched the second episode last night which was really good.
DP said ‘ wonder what will happen in the last episode’ ( bless him)😁

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 16-Dec-24 13:56:07

Oh how gruesome Greyduster.
That’s probably why HM has him say “don’t hesitate axe man it’ll do neither of us any good”. (Or words to that effect).
Yikes.
Talk? I’d be a gibbering wreck. Or faint.

Greyduster Mon 16-Dec-24 13:51:35

Can’t argue with that, FGT. Like Merlot, I too picked up on the fact that he still wore his doublet as he put his head on the block, but to dwell on such insignificances as this in the face of such a tour de force would be niggardly. It apparently took two or three strokes of the axe to part him from his head. There is testimony from the time: “Cromwell so paciently suffered the stroke of the axe, by a ragged and boocherly miser, whiche very ungoodly perfourmed the office.” No French swordsman for him. At least he was spared a worse fate.

sassenach512 Mon 16-Dec-24 13:49:03

I read that too Ilovecheese I sometimes wonder just what kind of man could be an executioner, one who could cold bloodedly take an axe and do the unspeakable things to another human being that they did. Poor Thomas's can't have been that good at his job sad

Farzanah Mon 16-Dec-24 13:41:34

Mark Rylance is always good but he was outstanding. A simply brilliant performance.

Ilovecheese Mon 16-Dec-24 13:34:56

merlotgran

I was surprised to see Cromwell kneeling at the block still wearing his outer clothing with his hair loose. How could the executioner see his neck?

There has been so much attention to detail throughout that I wondered if this would really of happened.

I have read before that the executioner have to have three goes with the axe before the head was severed.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 16-Dec-24 13:19:54

As good as TV gets.

Locations, costumes and properties were perfect and some of Britain's finest actors were seen here at the peak of their powers. The BBC deserves huge credit for this production.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 16-Dec-24 13:17:14

I thought us aficionados might enjoy this review so thought I’d share.
From the Telegraph - cut & paste.
Awarded 5 stars:


Chris Bennion
15 December 2024 10:00pm GMT
A recurring motif of Wolf Hall: The Mirror and the Light (BBC One) has been the echoes of the past. Thomas Cromwell (Mark Rylance) throughout this second series, based on the third of Hilary Mantel’s Wolf Hall novels, has been plagued with unwelcome memories – of Cardinal Wolsey, of Anne Boleyn, of Wolsey’s daughter Dorothea, of Jane Seymour. This final instalment was the most resounding echo of all, mirroring in so many details the last episode of the first series, when Cromwell accompanied Anne on a rowing boat to the Tower of London, where she was relieved of her head.

You would accuse director Peter Kosminsky and writer Peter Straughan of heavy-handedness, were it not for the fact that the ironies were so perfect. As Cromwell bobbed upon the Thames, accused of treason, who else could he have been thinking about but Anne? He had arranged her marriage and orchestrated her death. If this finale lacked a little power compared to the first, it’s because Cromwell’s sadness at his own death could not compare to his sadness at Anne’s.

The episode was an elegant chamber piece, mainly revolving around Cromwell’s cross-examinations at the hands of men he had helped, hindered, flattered, scorned, insulted and bettered. Chief among them the Bishop of Winchester, Stephen Gardiner, brought back from Europe by the king in a deliberate broadside against Cromwell. For whatever reason Alex Jennings replaced Mark Gatiss as Gardiner for this series, we got to thank our lucky stars for it here. Gatiss is an enjoyable performer, but Jennings is a powerhouse and he brought depth to the occasionally panto-villain Gardiner.

Timothy Spall was allowed to chomp and snarl deliciously in these scenes, as his brutish Duke of Norfolk got to take his revenge on the ignoble Cromwell. It was almost agony to watch a smirking, defiant Cromwell take on his interrogators, skilfully pulling apart their trumped-up accusations around purple doublets and rings with magical powers, making them look foolish, corrupt and stupid. But it was because Cromwell always made them feel foolish, corrupt and stupid that so many of his peers delighted in bringing him down. Rylance pitched Cromwell’s brilliance and vanity to perfection.

It was a deliberately claustrophobic episode – once Cromwell was shut up in the Tower, we didn’t see the sky until he did, on his way to the chopping block – and we were afforded the usual lingering views of Rylance’s craggy, drawn, impassive face. I know his wrinkles better than my own. Damian Lewis, who has been a superlative Henry VIII, was allowed one beautiful moment, railing rheumatically against Cromwell’s ability to “keep him ever young”. The whole episode kept reminding me – more echoes – of the moment when Malcolm Tucker is defenestrated in The Thick of It. Cromwell and Tucker share a huge amount of DNA.

When Cromwell’s end came, we saw not a drop of blood, nor the swing of an axe, but it was grisly nonetheless. Mantel, Kosminsky, Straughan and Rylance (and indeed everyone else involved) deserve every plaudit they have received. These 12 episodes are one of British television’s towering achievements.

⭐ ⭐️ ⭐ ⭐️ ⭐

merlotgran Mon 16-Dec-24 13:09:28

Should read really have not of.

Doodledog Mon 16-Dec-24 12:14:12

I still have to watch the last episode, as I was out last night. To say i'm looking forward to it isn't quite right - I am, but I suspect that it will be a hard watch.

merlotgran Mon 16-Dec-24 11:16:56

I was surprised to see Cromwell kneeling at the block still wearing his outer clothing with his hair loose. How could the executioner see his neck?

There has been so much attention to detail throughout that I wondered if this would really of happened.

Millie22 Mon 16-Dec-24 08:39:48

I watched the end of last night behind a cushion. They were all like vultures around him.

Henry was truly an awful man.

Incredible acting from Mark Rylance.

Clawdy Mon 16-Dec-24 08:37:07

Wonderful production. Mark Rylance was perfect, all the acting was excellent, and that ending was so moving.

Greyduster Mon 16-Dec-24 07:37:40

I think Hilary Mantell would have been pleased with this latest production. It was very faithful to her book, and couldn’t have had a better cast. I felt so sorry for Rafe Sadler, especially when he was made to re-read to Henry the parts of Cromwell’s letter where he was begging for his life.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 16-Dec-24 07:20:46

“Regrets … I have a few,
But then again, too few to mention”. 🎵 🎶

Court life wasn’t for the faint hearted then was it?

Sparklefizz Mon 16-Dec-24 07:12:26

merlotgran

I was all ready to watch his end through my fingers.

I’m so glad I didn’t have to.

Me too.
I found it very moving actually. If only he had retired to Launde or gone to Antwerp with his newly discovered daughter.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 16-Dec-24 07:11:24

MayBee70! 😮🤣

Bridie22 Mon 16-Dec-24 07:08:25

Fantastic series totally enthralling to the bitter end, agree, Mark Rylance deserves recognition for his performance.

Gin Sun 15-Dec-24 23:18:58

Such superb acting. I hated Norfolk. Timothy Spall was quite despicable, Ryland ‘s performance spell binding and Damien Lewis also memorable. I shall watch it again.

merlotgran Sun 15-Dec-24 22:28:51

I was all ready to watch his end through my fingers.

I’m so glad I didn’t have to.