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Wolf Hall - Season 2 - The Mirror & the Light

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Sparklefizz Sat 10-Aug-24 08:36:01

I have started rewatching Wolf Hall on iPlayer, and after googling I've discovered that Wolf Hall - Season 2 - The Mirror & the Light will be released later this year. Only a few months to wait for those of us who are Hilary Mantel/Thomas Cromwell fans.

And the next bit of good news is that the wonderful Mark Rylance will still be playing Cromwell. He is such an excellent actor with the most expressive face. He doesn't need to say anything, his face says it all.

merlotgran Sun 10-Nov-24 22:56:30

Yes. Mark Rylance is brilliant at giving Cromwell that haunted/scared look. I like the slow pace giving the atmosphere time to build.

I was talking to somebody about it this morning who said, ‘I didn’t watch Wolf Hall. Will I be able to pick it up?’

😂😂

biglouis Sun 10-Nov-24 23:00:55

If I player are only going to show one episode a week it will lead us nicely up to christmas and give us all something to look forward to each week.

Aveline Mon 11-Nov-24 06:40:22

I heard there was 'diversity' casting? I can't bear that anachronistic stuff. Looks like I won't bother watching. Disappointing.

Grandmabatty Mon 11-Nov-24 06:59:56

I thoroughly enjoyed last night's episode.

Greyduster Mon 11-Nov-24 07:34:13

I’ve just re listened to Peter Kominsky remembering what it was like to direct Wolf Hall and talking about what a tremendous weight of responsibility it was to get it right, not only for Hilary Mantell, but for the people who loved the books. And what a mesmerising actor Mark Rylance is and how, even when he’s not uttering a word, you can’t take your eyes off him because it’s all going on behind his eyes.
I enjoyed the first episode. I like Timothy Spall but I’m not sure about his portrayal of Norfolk yet. He doesn’t quite have that air of menace that Bernard Hill had.

Greyduster Mon 11-Nov-24 07:36:49

Aveline please try not to let that cloud your judgement - this is acting at its very finest. Revel in it.

Aveline Mon 11-Nov-24 08:01:37

Greyduster I'm sure Rylance is very good but I can't suspend disbelief sufficiently to overlook anachronistic casting in other roles. BBC go woke or go broke attitude profoundly irritating.

Greyduster Mon 11-Nov-24 08:08:47

Fair enough.

Clawdy Mon 11-Nov-24 08:24:37

What on earth is the problem with diversity casting? The acting is far more important. I've never seen a better portrayal of David Copperfield than Dev Patel's!

Aveline Mon 11-Nov-24 08:45:15

Dev Patel is lovely but David Copperfield just was not Indian.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 11-Nov-24 08:53:13

I didn’t watch it last night. It’s an hour ‘later’ over here in Málaga and we were in bed. Can’t get BBC iPlayer out here so I’ll catch up on Friday then Sunday as per.

Oh I read a great article about it in the Telegraph yesterday. It’s behind a paywall so a link won’t work.

I’ll cut & paste it now for those of you who might be interested.

Jane43 Mon 11-Nov-24 08:53:58

Greyduster

I’ve just re listened to Peter Kominsky remembering what it was like to direct Wolf Hall and talking about what a tremendous weight of responsibility it was to get it right, not only for Hilary Mantell, but for the people who loved the books. And what a mesmerising actor Mark Rylance is and how, even when he’s not uttering a word, you can’t take your eyes off him because it’s all going on behind his eyes.
I enjoyed the first episode. I like Timothy Spall but I’m not sure about his portrayal of Norfolk yet. He doesn’t quite have that air of menace that Bernard Hill had.

I agree, it was very difficult to replace Bernard Hill and Timothy Spall seems an odd choice but I will suspend disbelief for now because he is a fine actor. As for Mark Rylance, he is probably my favourite actor of all time and predictably he is doing a wonderful job.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 11-Nov-24 08:57:39

Here it is:

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Hilary Mantel was the closest thing to a genius I’ve ever known
Wolf Hall director Peter Kosminsky exclusively reveals how his email correspondence with the late author guided his vision for the series
On June 16 2018, an email arrived from Hilary Mantel. Attached was the first part of what was eventually to become The Mirror and the Light, her final novel. Hilary and I had collaborated on the BBC adaptation of her first two Thomas Cromwell novels: Wolf Hall and Bring Up the Bodies.

Now, after a hiatus caused in part by the death of her mother, Hilary was under way on the concluding novel of the trilogy, covering the last four desperate years of Cromwell’s life. She decided to send this to me in instalments, as she was writing it. The email exchanges which resulted, as I read and raised questions about these chapters, were all that was left to guide our adaptation of The Mirror and the Light, following her unexpected death, age 70, in September 2022

Generous spirit: Hilary Mantel in 2017
Generous spirit: Hilary Mantel in 2017
When, in the summer of 2013, my agent told me I was being asked to direct Wolf Hall, I thought it was a wind-up. I make contemporary political drama (such as The Government Inspector), shot with a hand-held camera. I would be the least appropriate person, so I thought, to direct a magnificent period drama based on two Booker Prize-winning novels.

Hilary reassured me. She had always imagined Wolf Hall in verité style, with the sound boom sliding into shot from time to time. “Remember these people don’t know they are historical characters,” she said. “Anne Boleyn doesn’t know she will be one of six, that she will die at the hands of a Calais swordsman. These people are just living their lives – like you or I.”

The first instalment ended abruptly with the death of Jane Seymour, with whom – in Hilary’s conceit – Cromwell had been in love, and which is one of the saddest moments in the novel. And yet the most intriguing aspect of this first section, for me, was the nature of the relationship between Cromwell and Lady Mary, the King’s eldest surviving – and at that point illegitimate – daughter.

It was clear that Mary feels drawn to Cromwell, perhaps even sexually captivated by him. What was less clear were Cromwell’s feelings for her. On page 149 of that first extract (included here by kind permission of Hilary’s husband, Gerald), Cromwell tells us: “… At Hackney she had said, in a low voice meant only for him: ‘Lord Cromwell, I am bound to you: I am bound to pray for you during my life …’ ”

I struggled to understand this. I wrote to Hilary, asking for guidance, apologising for being “dim”. Her reply was characteristically generous.

“Not dim at all. This is the book’s murkiest territory. The relationship, both personally and politically, is fraught with ambiguity. Both are deeply compromised by their dealings with each other …

“I think Cromwell discerns that Mary is attracted to him, in a complex, conflicted way that she almost hates. As an honourable man, he cannot act on that – it’s almost indecent, incestuous, breaks the rules of rank and hierarchy. His feelings towards her should (at the most) be fatherly, dutiful. But his subconscious can act without his permission …

“Mary is emotionally compromised or, as she would see it, morally compromised, because of the attraction she feels to him. She is angry – with herself.

“Edward, [Henry’s son, the future Edward  VI], is only one small boy. There is every likelihood that at some stage Mary will be queen. She would have the backing of the old aristocracy, of all papists and, (for what it’s worth), public opinion. What Thomas Cromwell has to do is to ensure that, if she becomes queen, she doesn’t immediately execute him …”

Remarks like this were obviously hugely helpful when directing Mark Rylance (Cromwell) and Lilit Lesser (Mary). We had long conversations about where each character’s head and heart were, at each of their increasingly difficult encounters. Hilary went on: “On a personal level [Cromwell] finds [Mary] perplexing, irritating, hard to like. But in my novel, he is half-aware of her own complex feelings towards him. He knows he has a hold over her, and that when he tells her he will never see her or speak to her again if she defies her father, he knows that will work. It would be hugely convenient but also hugely inconvenient if the king’s daughter fell in love with him; it would be malign fairy tale territory. So, I think he manipulates her, but I don’t think he does it cynically. He has to save her life – if only because it will completely destroy Henry in the eyes of the world if he kills his own daughter …”

Is there a self-destructive quality to Cromwell? This drew the most thoughtful response from Hilary
These remarks caused me to wonder whether Cromwell had a hamartia, a fatal flaw. By 1540, this blacksmith’s son is the second most powerful person in the land: vastly wealthy, deputy to Henry  VIII in matters of church and state. And yet he continues to attempt to accrue still more power, more wealth – alienating aristocracy, the church hierarchy and, eventually, even his sovereign in the process. Is there a self-destructive quality there? This question drew the longest and most thoughtful response from Hilary – written as she was in the very act of walking Cromwell to the scaffold.

“Think of that ladder he’s climbing. He began climbing as a boy in Putney. He has to keep moving. There is no point where he can balance or rest. He does not know where the top might be, or what happens when you reach it. But other people ‘know’ – the logical final step is to displace the king, and this is what he is accused of …

“Add to that, a fair measure of idealism. He believes he can improve the lives of the people in the country through social and economic reform, but entrenched interests are in his way …

“Cromwell has an unending appetite for a scrap. He thrives on conflict. He’s bouncy, resilient, physical. There was a time he learned to efface himself, but that time is past. At this point, let’s say it passes with the era of Anne Boleyn, you know this man is in the room …

“I tend to think that in modern times we have misinterpreted or under-interpreted the Greek view, by locating the ‘flaw’ in individual character: whereas really the cause of downfall is located in both the inner and outer worlds, which mirror each other …”

Hilary’s final email remarks to me were the most telling. Despite her many years of scholarly research, it was her understanding of the human experience that made her work so extraordinary. She wrote: “I think a huge question explored in the book is the question of self-fashioning – how far can you resist the script written for you? We still have to answer this question in the present day. We perceive that we are not just constrained by our position in the socio-economic set-up, but by our genetic inheritance. We endlessly debate what’s nature and what’s nurture, as if we could separate the two. I do think we are made by our childhoods, indeed by our early infancy – what we know now about neuroplasticity tells us that a great deal of rapid development takes place after birth, and hence is porous to the environment. And I believe we are shaped by forces within ourselves we hardly recognise … But this is not to say we are not free to change …”

I think that Hilary was the closest thing to a genius I’ve met in my lifetime. As such, it was often hard for me to fully understand all the layers of her meaning. But these emailed reflections, given so freely, offered an extraordinary insight into the complex world she had spent the last almost 20 years of her life creating. It has been the honour of my life to act as its temporary custodian, to try to faithfully represent it in a very different medium, and to a very different audience.”

‘Wolf Hall: The Mirror and the Light’ premieres on BBC One and BBC iPlayer tonight; new episodes released weekly.

Oreo Mon 11-Nov-24 08:58:01

Aveline

Greyduster I'm sure Rylance is very good but I can't suspend disbelief sufficiently to overlook anachronistic casting in other roles. BBC go woke or go broke attitude profoundly irritating.

Oh you’re joking me! Diversity casting in the Tudor court?
Groan 😟
I recorded it to watch when I have time so will have to see what I think.
Diversity casting is all well and good in most dramas but you need to stay as true as you can to the historical period.

Witzend Mon 11-Nov-24 09:02:13

Sparklefizz

I know HM kept tight control over the script for Wolf Hall. I hope the same care is taken over Season 2 despite the loss of such a wonderful author.

Same. It really jars when dialogue sounds too modern, or just plain wrong, as it all too often does in period dramas. One that really made me wince was in some Victorian-era thing, forget which, where a minor aristocrat said, ‘If she fell pregnant…’ 😩

Oreo Mon 11-Nov-24 09:03:59

I think Hilary Mantel really was a literary genius.

Sarnia Mon 11-Nov-24 09:13:59

Clawdy

What on earth is the problem with diversity casting? The acting is far more important. I've never seen a better portrayal of David Copperfield than Dev Patel's!

It isn't authentic though, is it? I like history to be accurate but these days we have to conform to woke and diversity in all things for a quiet life. I don't want to watch a black actress playing Anne Boleyn no matter how good a performance she delivers. Neither would I want to watch James Corden playing Martin Luther King. It cuts both ways.

Oreo Mon 11-Nov-24 09:15:05

Sarnia 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

David49 Mon 11-Nov-24 09:28:19

A very good production impulsive to watch and a pretty good insight into the way that everyone had it negotiate a line with a vey unpredictable monarch. Your head was not secure if you lost favour or others conspired against you.

Oreo Mon 11-Nov-24 09:30:07

A sort of Tudor Trump 😁

eazybee Mon 11-Nov-24 09:38:51

On last night's performance I thought Timothy Spall would have fitted in better at Hogwarts, looking like a confused wizard; he didn't have that air of brutality that Bernard Hall brought to Thomas Howard, a most unpleasant character. The actor playing Chapuys, a diversity replacement, was actually very convincing.

Sparklefizz Mon 11-Nov-24 10:41:24

I agree re Timothy Spall eazybee - Bernard Hill was scarily menacing.

I think Hilary Mantel really was a literary genius.

Yes, Oreo, her writing is exquisite.

And Mark Rylance is just wonderful. His face - his eyes - they say it all. So expressive.

Judging from last night's episode, the costumes, the locations - all superb as with Series 1. Drama at its finest.

Sparklefizz Mon 11-Nov-24 10:48:14

Clawdy

What on earth is the problem with diversity casting? The acting is far more important. I've never seen a better portrayal of David Copperfield than Dev Patel's!

But David Copperfield is a fictional character.
A Chinese Henry VIII, for example, would be ridiculous.

Colour blind casting is fine for fiction, not for fact.

keepingquiet Mon 11-Nov-24 11:27:15

Three things: what a shame we still can't see past the colour of someone's skin.

And: who is to know there weren't black people in London (maybe at court) then? There is plenty of eveidence for ethnic diversity in Tudor London- maybe because it wasn't much of an issue it wasn't mentioned overtly? I think it quite likely Mantel asked for some diversity in the cast.

Three: regarding Cromwell and Henry Tudor- can we see parallels here with Trump and Musk? I certainly can after reading FGT2's kind sharing of the Kominsky article?

One extra fact- Dev Patel is not Indian. He was born in Harrow.

Usedtobeblonde Mon 11-Nov-24 11:56:31

A friend I have known for over 30 years recently spoke about her brother’s first marriage which I had not known about.
She said oh yes I was a bridesmaid with the bride’s cousin.
She writes books and was well known.
Well known!! Only Hilary Mantel.
My friend had no idea of her fame and as the marriage was short lived she obviously hadn’t kept up with her doings.