Mohammed Al Fayed.

Esmay.would you describe sexual harassment as bullying?

(If so, I think the bullying may be revealed in other behaviours from the same individual.) I hope that psychologists are working on these problem individuals.

It's about power frequently which I suppose is bullying. But also often a hatred of women.

Caleo -
I suppose that it is a form of bullying .
Sheer arrogance is my other opinion .
In my case , the perpetrator was rich and powerful .
His anger shook me to the core .
But I survived .

When it happened to my mother - I was so angry about it .
I wanted to confront her boss .
It caused her so much distress .

Esmay

Anyone who has been in that situation will tell you how horrendous it is .
And proving it is another matter .
On the one occasion that I stood up to being sexually harassed the perpetrator denied it and tried to ruin my life in revenge for my rejection .

A sadly familiar experience Esmay

Iam64 -
I am really sorry that it happened to you ,to my mother, who nearly had a complete nervous breakdown and to any woman .
I'm shocked that Al Fayad tried it on with the late Princess of Wales .
He put her in a terrible position .
Let's hope that sexual exploitation in all forms is going to be a thing of the past .

I doubt Al Fayed tried anything with the Princess of Wales, surely she would not have holidayed on his yacht if he had

Esmay, if only. My daughters (late 30’s) were talking about P Diddy (Sean Coombes) who I think is an American rapper. He’s just charged with sex trafficking and racketeering, drug possession, firearms. He was refused bail. A sex worker alleges PDiddy orchestrated drug fuelled, days long sex parties.
The indictment alleges he ‘abused, threatened and coerced women and others to fulfil his sexual desires, protect his reputation and conceal his conduct’ from at least 2008. He used coercion physical, emotional and verbal abuse to gain compliances. Many women are making allegations
(Sky news)
No doubt he will claim it was consensual
Awful individual and decadent lifestyle - well criminal lifestyle

Yes I agree. Lots of people are saying things have improved for women (and I not denying in some very important ways they have) but how is what is happening with PDiddy or not too long ago with Harvey Weinstein any different.

Galaxy - in many ways things are better. We have legal rights to safe spaces, to mat leave, the legislation on coercive control and more
I worry about the pressure on girls to get involved in painful and dangerous sexual practices because the internet normalises these things. That’s only one example

Iam64
Yes , you are right .
I just read the statistics on sexual harassment in the work place - worse than I thought .
The change is that women are protesting .
We've got a long way to go .

Yes - you’re right, women are speaking out. They’re being criticised for ‘delay’ in doing so, despite all the evidence explaining why this happens.
We’ve a long way to go. We are educating our daughters but what about our sons?

I regularly get a bus into town and at certain times of day -there are many teenagers coming out of school .
Loud and excited I can't help , but hear their conversation and it's often depressing .
The girls are so hung up on their looks when they are young , slim and pretty .
They criticise their friends with some venom .
I really don't remember being like that as a teenager .
But what shakes me are the conversations of the boys .
It's horrible to listen to .
Have you f-----d Chloe ?
She did my brother.
She'll give anyone a b--w j-b .
And
here come the c--ts as a group of girls join them .

I feel as though there is no respect for them .

With that lack of respect for themselves from girls snd total lack of respect for girls from the boys that is really depressing.
These children have parents who should have instilled confidence in their girls and respect for everyone in their boys at an early age, not waiting till they are already into adolescence, that’s probably too late.

I'm shocked by that, Esmay, and I have a teen boy here.

I'd knock his block off (figuratively speaking, I think) if I heard anything so disgusting coming from him!

I may sound rather naïve but do remember when the film Grease came out; my DC were too young to watch but I know some teenagers who were enthusiastic about it and others who thought it was dreadful (my niece for one). Of course it became a classic, watched by so many teens and pre-teens over the years.

If you listen to some of the words of the songs eg
"Did she put up a fight?"
and the way the nice wholesome teenage girl has to change into a leather-clad vamp to attract the bad boy, I thought at the time it was sending out the wrong message to teenagers. Toxic masculinity and compliant females.

Things have got a whole lot worse since then of course.

MissAdventure - I certainly feel like saying something when I hear the abuse at the bus stop and on the buses .
I'm usually on my own with mobility issues and feel vulnerable .
Bringing up a boy I was at pains to get him to respect and understand girls .
They were disagreements about helping his sisters with chores .
I taught him to cook , launder and sew before he went to university .
People said that he was a credit to me.
And he certainly was .

The responsilibility of an extremely demanding wife and a child has sadly changed him into a bad tempered , foul mouthed unpleasant person .

I feel that the root of the problem with respect is that girls feel under pressure to have sex at too early an age .
Social media doesn't help .
My neighbour's attractive intelligent daughter barricaded herself in her room , played truant from school , took drugs and moved in with her boyfriend aged 13 .
She caused her mother a great deal of upset .
I thought that her future was bleak .
But she's turned out well .

Boys are also influenced by social media, and there are some repulsive men who have large followings amongst teens and younger men.

Its just awful to see such open hostility towards females.

MissAdventure

Boys are also influenced by social media, and there are some repulsive men who have large followings amongst teens and younger men.

Its just awful to see such open hostility towards females.

Exactly - Andrew Tate is one such vile individual. The rise in toxic masculinity, especially on social media, is frightening to say the least.

I have said this before but in the future I think people will view a society who allowed its children access to social media in the same way as we view a society who promoted smoking, or a society who sent children up chimneys.

Agree Galaxy
One of my grandsons is rising 10. His iPad is locked and his parents are already worrying about the year 6-7 pressure to have. Mobile phone

We don't need influencers like Andrew Tate .
It's truly appalling .

Esmay

We don't need influencers like Andrew Tate .
It's truly appalling .

It is. He is a truly vile individual - and sadly, he's not the only one.

Galaxy

I have said this before but in the future I think people will view a society who allowed its children access to social media in the same way as we view a society who promoted smoking, or a society who sent children up chimneys.

It's interesting that people in Silicone Valley are now banning their won children from using social media..

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