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Remember When Saint Cliff Richard Dominated Christmas?

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mae13 Tue 03-Dec-24 13:10:04

The number 1 slot in the charts was almost reserved for him. But he's vanished completely.

I did spot an article about him just a couple of months back and the accompanying photo was not flattering by any means. Age seems to have caught up with him, as it does with all of us.

escaped Thu 05-Dec-24 08:21:30

I'm not sure the OP was intended to be overly nasty, but the reference to somebody withering with old age wasn't very nice.
It's the subsequent bandwagon comments trying to imply some form of inappropriate sexual behaviour that are unpleasant, even libelous. Where is the proof or the evidence that posters always seem so keen on?

petra Thu 05-Dec-24 08:05:54

Looking through the OPs back catalogue it’s par for the course 😡

Mawmac Thu 05-Dec-24 07:52:51

RosiesMaw2

This thread horrifies me.
It started a million miles from “the spirit of Gransnet” with the snide comment about “Saint Cliff Richard”: and has gone on to cite damning, unsubstantiated and probably libellous accusations.
Is this really the best we can do?
Or is mud-slinging what we are all about?

Well said RosiesMaw2.
I never liked his music, but he definitely doesn’t merit the mean & snide comments.

Madmeg Wed 04-Dec-24 22:59:49

Cliff and the Shadows were the first pop act I ever attended, about 1963 in Blackpool. By standards then he was breaking new ground in pop music (which was pretty new anyway) and over the years tried to develop other styles to keep up with the times, mostly successfully. In my mid teens I learned to play the guitar and soon learnt that many of those early 60s musicians were actually pretty noddy technically, using only a handful of basic chords. I was in fact a singer in a folk group for several years in the 60s and 70s, which also began with three chords until Simon and Garfunkel came onto the scene.

Later on, lots of musicians and groups relied on machines and technology to produce more interesting, varied and technically advanced sounds, but weren't necessarily good musicians.

Further advancements in "pop" music came with more meaningful lyrics (some of which I never understood - and not sure the musicians did either. Cliff was initially a part of the "baby stage" of pop music, so naturally many of the later pop stars beat him in many ways.

I saw him around 15 years ago in Sheffield and hated his new style of music and his garb of a tight leather "jumpsuit", it was just not what I expected from Cliff.

The false accusations of paedophilia floored him for good, especially as the accusations appeared in the media while he was abroad and had known nothing about it. I believe the shock made him quite ill and even now I don't think he ever recovered. What a way to treat a man who gave his life to music and brought enjoyment to millions around the world.

And why do others seem to think it is okay to add their own nasty (but unsubstantiated) comments that he simply does not deserve?

I still play his "older" music as its part of my early life, just as I do Elvis music and a myriad of other acts from back then. The Hollies were my love of all time. Anyone like to dish the dirt on Alan Clarke?

rafichagran Wed 04-Dec-24 20:36:30

To be honest this thread is distasteful. I honestly think some of the posts are libelous and nasty.

Ziplok Wed 04-Dec-24 19:59:23

It is indeed, very sad to read such unpleasant remarks about him. As I said upthread, his music isn’t really to my taste, but that doesn’t mean I think the poor man should be vilified.
Those accusations made about him in the past were proven to be false and it was, seemingly, yet another attempt at trial by media. He was justifiable in seeking recourse. So often, it seems, the media play judge, jury and executioner rather than leaving things to be dealt with the law.

NotAGran55 Wed 04-Dec-24 19:43:48

This thread is an all time low on GN in my opinion. Some unbelievable posts.
How would the posters feel if their beloved sons, husbands, partners were spoken about in such derogatory terms by people they have never met?

Allira Wed 04-Dec-24 19:39:06

Cliff might not be a saint 😇 but he is a Christian and will try to forgive those who sin against him.
Or spread unfounded rumours.

RosiesMaw2 Wed 04-Dec-24 19:35:42

NotAGran55

I wonder why mae13 hasn’t returned to explain what her motive was for starting this thread?

Hard to justify I should have thought.

Allira Wed 04-Dec-24 19:30:43

Mollygo

Is everything on Google true?

If you weren’t there, it’s hearsay.

And if Elvis had put on weight, maybe he wouldn’t have wanted to appear next to Cliff who hadn’t.

I wasn’t there, so I don’t know.

Reportedly he thought it was unfair to Elvis because he had put on weight. Cliff always stayed trim.

Let's face it, poor Elvis did become bloated due to prescription drugs and other factors. It was very sad. ☹

Cliff had a portrait painted of him and Elvis.

Mollygo Wed 04-Dec-24 19:19:30

Is everything on Google true?

If you weren’t there, it’s hearsay.

And if Elvis had put on weight, maybe he wouldn’t have wanted to appear next to Cliff who hadn’t.

I wasn’t there, so I don’t know.

MissInterpreted Wed 04-Dec-24 19:15:30

Mollygo

Allira
MissInterpreted
Did he not make really harsh comments about Elvis in an interview fairly recently? Something about not wanting his photo taken with him because he was too fat?

Allira
You have twisted what he actually said and meant

MissInterpreted

Please enlighten me, as I'm not actually sure exactly what he said.

I don’t know anything about this particular incident, but is it a a sign of the times that you can accuse someone of saying something negative
when you then admit that you don’t know what was said?

Well, I've since googled it and unless I'm missing something, he is reported to have said he turned down having his photo taken with Elvis because he (Elvis) 'had put on a lot of weight'. How is that not negative?

NotAGran55 Wed 04-Dec-24 19:15:24

I wonder why mae13 hasn’t returned to explain what her motive was for starting this thread?

Allira Wed 04-Dec-24 19:11:38

eazybee

This thread does seem to be unpleasant; I do not understand the reason behind the attack on Cliff Richard. What is he supposed to have done to warrant this spite?

Nothing.

Just speculation because he's not happily married with 2.4 children.

eazybee Wed 04-Dec-24 19:07:59

This thread does seem to be unpleasant; I do not understand the reason behind the attack on Cliff Richard. What is he supposed to have done to warrant this spite?

Mollygo Wed 04-Dec-24 18:56:11

Allira
MissInterpreted
Did he not make really harsh comments about Elvis in an interview fairly recently? Something about not wanting his photo taken with him because he was too fat?

Allira
You have twisted what he actually said and meant

MissInterpreted

Please enlighten me, as I'm not actually sure exactly what he said.

I don’t know anything about this particular incident, but is it a a sign of the times that you can accuse someone of saying something negative
when you then admit that you don’t know what was said?

Allira Wed 04-Dec-24 18:51:56

Well, I'm surprised it hasn't been deleted as potentially libellous.

RosiesMaw2 Wed 04-Dec-24 18:50:48

This thread horrifies me.
It started a million miles from “the spirit of Gransnet” with the snide comment about “Saint Cliff Richard”: and has gone on to cite damning, unsubstantiated and probably libellous accusations.
Is this really the best we can do?
Or is mud-slinging what we are all about?

MissInterpreted Wed 04-Dec-24 18:45:51

Allira

MissInterpreted

Did he not make really harsh comments about Elvis in an interview fairly recently? Something about not wanting his photo taken with him because he was too fat?

You have twisted what he actually said and meant

Please enlighten me, as I'm not actually sure exactly what he said.

Allira Wed 04-Dec-24 18:36:48

MissInterpreted

Did he not make really harsh comments about Elvis in an interview fairly recently? Something about not wanting his photo taken with him because he was too fat?

You have twisted what he actually said and meant

Allira Wed 04-Dec-24 18:33:06

I'm beginning to wonder if Cliff is actually a member of the Royal Family, such is the vitriol on this thread.

Another Prince Harry (that's his real name btw)

MissInterpreted Wed 04-Dec-24 18:13:43

Did he not make really harsh comments about Elvis in an interview fairly recently? Something about not wanting his photo taken with him because he was too fat?

Sarahr Wed 04-Dec-24 18:00:55

Cliff Richard is doing great for his age. Looking old, but keeping himself fit and healthy, just like many older people.

Smileless2012 Wed 04-Dec-24 17:53:44

And there was me thinking this is the season of goodwill to all men tchhmm.

Calendargirl Wed 04-Dec-24 17:51:12

Well, IMHO, ‘Miss You Nights’ is one of the most beautiful songs.

And his voice back then was gorgeous.