Remember When Saint Cliff Richard Dominated Christmas?

Live and let live, WW3.

If you were never a fan, why would it matter if he retires or not?

Exactly!!

WelwynWitch3

Thank God, he should have retired decades ago, needless to say was never a fan.

If you were never a fan, why would it matter if he retires or not?
He gives pleasure to loads of people, without making those who don’t like him obliged to listen or watch.

Thank God, he should have retired decades ago, needless to say was never a fan.

MissInterpreted

Oh dear, just read an article from The Independent in which Cliff's recipes for xmas gravy was described as 'vile'...
Maybe that's libelous too..

Elliott Grover, executive chef at the five-star Mayfair hotel 45 Park Lane, spoke in defence of Richard’s gravy mixture, and pointed out that stock cubes are an efficient way to make gravy.

Cliff said his range of expertise in the kitchen is limited to scrambled eggs, a fried egg, and a grilled cheese sandwich.

With or without gravy?

I do remember being served a beef burger, with fried egg and greasy gravy on top in hospital one Christmas Eve.

Have just remembered that I did come across him at Heathrow once, he was waiting at the same baggage collection point. Have to admit he stood very quietly no 'look at me I'm a star' and when someone went up to talk to him he was very polite and let them take a photo with him. Seemed very unassuming. I was amazed he was collecting his own luggage and didn't get some VIP treatment.

Kate1949

Calling Cliff creepy and other unpleasant things is OK. Calling Angela Rayner and other women unpleasant things and saying they look awful is not OK. What a strange world we live in.

That will give me something to do this afternoon. Going back to look if the same people who criticised AR etc. are on here posting about Cliff being creepy

Calling Cliff creepy and other unpleasant things is OK. Calling Angela Rayner and other women unpleasant things and saying they look awful is not OK. What a strange world we live in.

Surely you know one cannot libel gravy ?

Oh dear, just read an article from The Independent in which Cliff's recipes for xmas gravy was described as 'vile'...
Maybe that's libelous too..

Obviously.

Well, it obviously means different things to different people. I may find some people creepy, others may not.

Describing something creepy is so often - lonely, dark lanes,
animals creeping in the undergrowth, people hiding in undergrowth, creepy crawlers,

Anniebach

I. say so, what is there pleasant or comfortable that is described as creepy, often creepy means danger

I didn't say it wasn't unpleasant, but I don't necessarily associate it with fear. I could say I found someone creepy, that wouldn't have to mean I was afraid of that person.
And Mollygo, as I've said before on this thread, you don't have to know someone personally to feel that they give off 'creepy vibes'. I could name several 'celebrities' or well-known people who I personally feel give off that kind of vibe. It has nothing to do with any accusations. It's just a feeling you get.

It's one of those words that people use because other people use it, and so it gets passed on.. Maybe some use it in a more defamatory sense than others. I see the post in question has been removed now.

But Anniebach, I think there’s something creepy about people using that word to describe people they don’t know, especially when the accusations are unsubstantiated.

I. say so, what is there pleasant or comfortable that is described as creepy, often creepy means danger

Anniebach

I think calling someone creepy should be libellous , it is associated with fear

Is it? I wouldn't necessarily say so. You could find someone creepy for all kinds of reasons.

I think it depends where it's done.

Putting it out on a forum is no doubt going to be unpleasant to read, particularly on a thread like this, with hinted at dark deeds, and secrets left unsubstantiated.

I think calling someone creepy should be libellous , it is associated with fear

I'm not a fan in particular but he does have a great voice and I like some of his music. I don't think most of us look that amazing at 80!

escaped

My grasp of "libelous" was quoted from an above post. I have a strong grasp of what villifying, with intent to cause harm to a reputation, actually means.
Creepy wouldn't be my choice of word to describe anyone. If I were challenged on it, however, I would either apologise or do my utmost to explain on what it was based.

I did explain it - I clearly said that sometimes I find just find that someone gives off 'creepy vibes', and added that I could name several well-known personalities who do just that. Saying that you find someone creepy is not libelous.

My grasp of "libelous" was quoted from an above post. I have a strong grasp of what villifying, with intent to cause harm to a reputation, actually means.
Creepy wouldn't be my choice of word to describe anyone. If I were challenged on it, however, I would either apologise or do my utmost to explain on what it was based.

It has change GransNet

Some people have a very loose grasp of what is considered libelous. Yes, some comments may have been 'unpleasant' - that in itself does not make them libelous (libel law is something I dealt with at work on a daily basis for more than 40 years).