What is the Monarchy For?

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What I mean is they still see themselves as royal as far as their titles are part of their money making, so I think they are quite relevant to this discussion.

I still don’t get the diversion.

I am quite amused by the “ different life experiences “ pist though😬 At first I thought RL experience was Royal life experience 🤣🤣🤣

Harry and his children are in the line of succession.

sodapop

Archewell and H &M are not royal now are they?

I count them in because they se their titles all the time in public.

Sorry merlotgran I do forget we all have different life experience.

In my RL experience to divert and distract means just that.

I’m happy that was happening here.

You of course can disagree but then we both could be accused of derailing this thread and that would not be my intention at all.

What a pompous post. 😂😂

Many posters speak of ‘the royal family’,Harry is a family member

Archewell and H &M are not royal now are they?

I don’t get it.

What was the diversion?

We were talking about money and the royals.

merlotgran

^It says a lot when these posts are thrown in the mix.^

Do explain.
Isn’t t it just that conversations sometimes wander slightly off topic?

Sorry merlotgran I do forget we all have different life experience.

In my RL experience to divert and distract means just that.

I’m happy that was happening here.

You of course can disagree but then we both could be accused of derailing this thread and that would not be my intention at all.

Sorry, I was responding to the comment that Harry was the cleverest because he had found a way of acquiring loads of money without having to put in much effort.

Closing down Archewell, after spending the money, is a pretty smart move.

It says a lot when these posts are thrown in the mix.

Do explain.
Isn’t t it just that conversations sometimes wander slightly off topic?

What has the Archewell finances got to do with this thread?

Am I missing something here?

Do the royal family contribute to this foundation?

It says a lot when these posts are thrown in the mix.

Well they had quite a lot of money donated initially so I guess they are draining that dry before the shutting down of Archewell and the new enterprise of Philanthropies that they are setting up.

I think Archewell was “not for profit” rather than charity, so as it clearly didn’t make any profit I guess they are in the clear legally over where the money has gone.

Lathyrus3

Some interesting information just out about Archewell finances .last financial report merlotgran

Income: 2,000,000

Expenditure: 5,000,000

Quite a bit apparently spent on the promotional trips - to Nigeria and the other overseas ‘royal’ tour that I can’t remember and other promotional activities within the USA.

Charity is obviously the way to go😬

Mr Micawber WHERE ARE YOU???? monetary advice urgently required by Archewell.

DrWatson

Congrats to Eloethan, for writing a strong contender for the daftest comment of the year (pretty stiff competition, too)?

That "the media is being used as propagandists for the royal family, rather than just as conveyors of news." apparently is due to having missed the umpteen reports of Andrew's assorted Epstein misdemeanours, the umpteen reports of him losing titles, property, etc, and the ongoing umpteen reports of him appearing in Epstein's photos and files (the ones that Chump is desperately trying to get edited so that his name and grinning face don't upset the dwindling core of his support even more).

What a sheltered life you must lead?!

You may not agree with Eloethan but there was no need to be so rude and dismissive especially as, taken as a whole their post was not daft. To then trash other GNs by implication for providing "pretty stiff competition" is nothing short of patronising.

I have been impressed by the research and use of known facts, as opposed to knee jerk opinions and emotional responses, that many GNs have shown in posts on this thread..

Incidentally, did you know that the royal family were able to keep the lid on Andrew's activities and prevented them being reported for many years? It was only when the story became too big to suppress any longer that the truth came tumbling out.

If a presidential system it would definitely be political

Quite a bit apparently spent on the promotional trips - to Nigeria and the other overseas ‘royal’ tour that I can’t remember

It was Columbia, Lathyrus.
You know, that really safe place where even the competitors in Race Across the World weren’t allowed out after dark.
Much safer than the UK though where Harry is too scared to bring his wife and children. 🤔

Lathyrus3

Thank you Annie for those figures. Elections are an expensive business aren’t they?

Wasn’t someone on here proposing presidential elections every three years🤔

Quite a cost there then.

I think the Monarchy is good value for money.

The cost of having a presidential system would probably be more and a dangerous route to go down.

daughterofbonniebelle

I found this thread refreshingly challenging of the status quo, which is not always the case in Gransnet. Then, I thought, are the above arguments republican or Republican, ie home grown British, or American MAGA-Republican? I have no idea who owns Gransnet. Message contents can be edited. It is no secret Trump is wanting to exert control where he can, eg being abusive about Europe; Vance trying to interfere in UK abortion policy... Just a thought...

daughterofbonniebelle

Are you claiming that Gransnet moderators edit our posts to conform to control the narrative?

I know posts can be deleted but that is because they are against the published guidelines - but changing our posts to suit an agenda seems to be rather far-fetched.

Yes Lathyrus every 3 years

Thank you Annie for those figures. Elections are an expensive business aren’t they?

Wasn’t someone on here proposing presidential elections every three years🤔

Quite a cost there then.

Some interesting information just out about Archewell finances .last financial report merlotgran

Income: 2,000,000

Expenditure: 5,000,000

Quite a bit apparently spent on the promotional trips - to Nigeria and the other overseas ‘royal’ tour that I can’t remember and other promotional activities within the USA.

Charity is obviously the way to go😬

StoneofDestiny

merlotgran
These royal offspring can choose their own way of life as many of their relatives have already. It's too cushy and financially beneficial a life to give up for so many of them - hence why they spend an occasional day trying to show us they are just like us.

Not really ‘so many of them’ now. Most of them have jobs apart from Andrew (and he’s toast,) Edward and Sophie, who had jobs but they didn’t end well and Anne who is still the hardest working Royal. I certainly wouldn’t have wanted to be the one to tell her to get a job when she was younger! 😂

I suppose Harry is the cleverest. He seems to have found a way of earning loads of money by doing bugger all!

From Gov UK

Conduct Costs of the 2019 General Election
CategoryCost
Returning Officers’ services£2.27 million
Returning Officers’ expenses£103.75 million
Centrally incurred costs£41.39 million
Total£147.42 million
The actual Returning Officer spend, including services, amounts to 95% of the estimated cost attributed to Returning Officers in running the 2019 UK Parliamentary general election. In addition, £632,000 was paid back into the Consolidated Fund in forfeited candidate deposits, resulting in the total net expenditure of £146,783,582.

Just out of interest, has anyone (fairly neutral and objective) actually done any costings of the monarchy as it stands vs the cost of a presidential Head of State?

Would President be a paid post? Surely it would have to be? How much would a President be paid? What trappings of State would need to be maintained ie presidential palaces, staff etc? Costs of ceremonial events etc.

The cost of maintaining the monarchy seems to be a major factor in people’s argument against, but has anybody actually worked out the alternative?

And would elections be state funded or from private funds?