‘N word’ at the BAFTAs

Since the BBC edited out other words in the broadcast I think it could be said with confidence that one word, slightly muffled wasn’t heard by the team in the van as they claim to be the case.

Calling posters/ attitudes ‘racist’ in this case is really scraping the barrel.
The actors may have been surprised but not shocked at the time,when it was pointed out to them that the man of the hour at the ceremony has Tourettes.
SM is awful at times, real hysteria and faux outrage whipped up at the drop of a hat.

We have no control over how other forms of social media react. On GN we have a Report button. As far as I can interpret, nobody on this Thread is criticising the man with the disability, who shouted out.
The BBC is being criticised for not editing the extremely offensive racist word.
I understand this complaint, if as stated, there were two hours between the shout and the broadcast.

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RosiesMawagain

Tuliptree

And F and C words are qualitatively different from the N word as you well know

Really ??
Please explain how.
I (and I am sure I am not alone) find them equally unacceptable

Perhaps some people use them in every day language.
There is a thread about Danny Dyer and his appalling language.
The 'c' word is just as offensive as the 'n' word. One is racist, the other sexist.

However, if I knew someone using any of those words had Tourette's Syndrome, especially if I was at a ceremony where someone was receiving an award for a film demonstrating how it affects him and others I'd understand it was not that person being offensive.

It is not their fault.

Those two actors must lack any empathy and have a complete lack of awareness of anyone else and their problems, even when they are explained to them.

If you can ask that question, then you are not interested in any answer I can give. Clearly you know nothing about American history

RosiesMawagain

Tuliptree

And F and C words are qualitatively different from the N word as you well know

Really ??
Please explain how.
I (and I am sure I am not alone) find them equally unacceptable

Perhaps some people use them in every day language.
There is a thread about Danny Dyer and his appalling language.
The 'c' word is just as offensive as the 'n' word. One is racist, the other sexist.

RosiesMawagain

Tuliptree

And F and C words are qualitatively different from the N word as you well know

Really ??
Please explain how.
I (and I am sure I am not alone) find them equally unacceptable

Yes, I'd love to know the difference too.

Tuliptree

And F and C words are qualitatively different from the N word as you well know

Really ??
Please explain how.
I (and I am sure I am not alone) find them equally unacceptable

Tuliptree

I thought most people were complaining about the broadcasting of what he said and the role of the BBC in enabling widespread dissemination .

Not on the majority of social media sites - it almost seems like a pile-on by the entire black population of the US!

Tuliptree

I thought most people were complaining about the broadcasting of what he said and the role of the BBC in enabling widespread dissemination .

"Michael B Jordan was left ‘disgusted’ after being subjected to a racial slur on stage while presenting at the Baftas".
"On Sunday night the American actor presented the first award of the night alongside his Sinners co-star Delroy Lindo"
"As the pair prepared to hand out the best visual effects award to Avatar: Fire and Ash, Tourette’s campaigner John Davidson was heard shouting the N-word, which prompted gasps across the audience in London’s Royal Festival Hall"

Oh the irony.
(Just one example reported in Metro.)
They weren't listening to the unedited broadcast.

Someone with Tourette's Syndrome may know that but be unable to help themselves shouting it anyway.

Why are some neurological disorders met with sympathy but this particular one is not by its very nature?

And F and C words are qualitatively different from the N word as you well know

I thought most people were complaining about the broadcasting of what he said and the role of the BBC in enabling widespread dissemination .

Using expletives and discriminatory language is a way of getting attention, there has been more coverage of the N word than the whole BAFTA event.

Who’s moaning about what he said?

Yesterday - EVERYBODY , present company mostlybexcepted. The media were alive with it. An F or C word would not have occasioned a blink.

Boz

I apologise for my ignorance of this condition but why are the tics shouted out obscene words?
why aren't 'nice' things shouted out?

Some people who have Tourette's have what's known as coprolalia, which is involuntary swearing or the involuntary utterance of obscene words or socially inappropriate and derogatory remarks. Someone explained it as your brain coming up with the worst possible thing you could say in a particular situation and you can't help but blurt that out.

Oreo

Oh the irony of anyone moaning about what a man with Tourettes tics at a ceremony featuring a film about a man with Tourettes who can’t control what he says.It’s a disability and a dangerous one for the person concerned.
The BBC, and I’m not their biggest fan did do an editing job with as many of his tics as they heard.
My only thought is that the organisers of the ceremony should and maybe did for all I know, warn presenters beforehand that he was in the audience and may shout things.
Other than that there’s no blame at all.I feel very sorry that there’s a whipped up hysteria storm against John Davidson on SM.An utter disgrace.

Who’s moaning about what he said? The BBC had two hours to edit before broadcast and longer to edit the Iplayed upload. They knew this was a predictable risk and it would have been child’s play to organise a system where one of the BBC staff in the auditorium was in touch with the recording staff. It really is that simple.

Boz

I apologise for my ignorance of this condition but why are the tics shouted out obscene words?
why aren't 'nice' things shouted out?

Apparently it varies enormously but I suppose the obscene/ controversial ones get all the publicity.

I apologise for my ignorance of this condition but why are the tics shouted out obscene words?
why aren't 'nice' things shouted out?

Oreo good post 👍

Oh the irony of anyone moaning about what a man with Tourettes tics at a ceremony featuring a film about a man with Tourettes who can’t control what he says.It’s a disability and a dangerous one for the person concerned.
The BBC, and I’m not their biggest fan did do an editing job with as many of his tics as they heard.
My only thought is that the organisers of the ceremony should and maybe did for all I know, warn presenters beforehand that he was in the audience and may shout things.
Other than that there’s no blame at all.I feel very sorry that there’s a whipped up hysteria storm against John Davidson on SM.An utter disgrace.

Old Frill

‘Whilst controversial a word is reclaimed by the group it's targeted towards, as a negative or insult, ultimately to dilute the power of the word and insult. The gay community reclaimed words like queer, faggot, dyke, which, possibly arguably, successfully reduced the impact on the community they were aimed at.’

Good response to attempts to minimise and delegitimise the upset caused by the actual N word. Of course the response on both sides has spiralled - that always happens. There is however a clear villain here - the BBC- you’d think they’d have learned something after Glastonbury. It’s horrible for everyone - it’s distracted from what should have been a positive experience for JD and for other attendees. It’s allowed closet racists to question why it’s so bad to use the word and by keeping it up on IPlayer as long as they did ( it should never have gone up unedited) they allowed the clip to be captured by many racists who have turned it into a meme and it’s all over SM with disgusting comments about the two black men. It’s possible to sympathise with both JD AND African-Americans simultaneously and it ill behoves those of us sitting comfortably in the UK especially if we’re white to criticise black reaction to the word especially in the States. We have not lived their history. The BBC are an increasing disgrace and they are the cause of all this upset- not JD and not black people.

I understand how offensive that particular word is, but the over-reaction to it, especially on sections of social media, has been completely over the top. You've even got some people saying black Americans should cancel any plans to come to Scotland because apparently we're all raving mad racists and they wouldn't be safe here!

GrannyGravy13

If the N word is deemed to be so offensive to some members of our society, why is it that it is often used in rap and drill music by black artists?

Whilst controversial a word is reclaimed by the group it's targeted towards, as a negative or insult, ultimately to dilute the power of the word and insult. The gay community reclaimed words like queer, faggot, dyke, which, possibly arguably, successfully reduced the impact on the community they were aimed at.