Lip Reading The Royals.

Lathyrus3 is a proficient lip reader and disputes the reality of them being able to accurately do this. No wonder they had to preface their translations with "I believe this is what's being said" the equivalent to the heavy lifting "alleged" has to do in so many instances.

I didn't see the program but I imagine there will be lots that will take it as gospel because it reinforces their own opinions.

Plevey08 So you know 'they're all a bit dim' and although you aren't keen on gossiping, here you are doing just that. Did you read Lathyrus's post, someone who knows the limitations of lip reading?

I didn’t know about this programme, but really - are we expected to take this seriously?

Some do take the programme seriously

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They werent 'spot on'. Most of what I saw was rubbish.

I have lip-read for a couple of decades having lost a chunk of my hearing through meningitis in my late thirties.

Most of the so called claims in the programme were covered by "She appears to be saying....., "It looks as though ......", and other get-outs.

You need to be quite close to be able to lip-read (television distance about the furthest). Long distance lens do not help.

It was a VERY silly and pointless
programme.
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Agree with Lathyrus and Barbadosbelle, I've been lipreading all my life because of hearing loss and you cannot be sure what's being said, especially under those conditions, there are nearly always several "possibles" & you have to choose the likeliest in the circumstances (context).

What you can do is tell what isn't being said which is quite useful with those deep fake vids out there featuring celebs saying shocking things (or not).

So in other words their 'forensic' lip-reading team were just guessing, probably fulfilling the program's brief. I read a post on Facebook that said half the time the people being analysed were in semi profile, which would seem totally at odds with the lip-readers on here who want to see the person face on.

I watched the programme, the cynic in me asked if any of their conclusions had been double checked by another 'expert lip reader'. I don't think that Anne would have said what was alleged to the Duke of Kent with Harry sitting behind her plumed hat!

Rosie51

So in other words their 'forensic' lip-reading team were just guessing, probably fulfilling the program's brief. I read a post on Facebook that said half the time the people being analysed were in semi profile, which would seem totally at odds with the lip-readers on here who want to see the person face on.

‘forensic lip readers’

So no scientific basis, no real expertise, no proper analysis and certainly would not be admissible in a court of law 😁

Yet some believed it was true, !

midgey

I’m not sure that I approve of this, there is not much privacy allowed to any celebrity whether royal or not. This all seems a step too far for me.

Totally agree.

they are the royal family and they are out in public or being televised, they should have no expectations of privacy, if they don't know to keep there mouths shut about certain things then that is there fault.

For years, tennis doubles players have covered their mouths, knowing others can work out what they're saying. But my favourite was last weekend when a football manager was in tactical conversation with his assistant, and the assistant zipped up his coat right to the top, to cover his mouth

I'm pretty sure all the mouth covering of sportspeople has grown up by custom not because someone 30 feet or more away is an expert lip-reader. I can sometimes lip-read the expletive uttered by a player who hasn't had the decision go his way (or at least I think I can), but that's mostly because it's a common two word phrase. Have you ever sat on a train and been able to lip-read the conversation of a couple a few feet away that is masked by the train noise? I know I can't and I don't believe many others can.
So far not one of our posters who can lip-read has taken these 'forensic lip-readers' seriously.

Calendargirl

Watched this on Channel 5 last night, and found it fascinating.

Showed the ‘forensic lip readers’ at work on footage of the Coronation and other events.

They were careful to say much of the time ‘I believe this is what the King/Camilla/ Princess Anne…is saying,’ but yes, you could see they were spot on.

You realise Charles had much on his mind that day, apart from the Coronation. (Harry for one).

Channel 5, a non watchable invasion of privacy. Wouldn't even give it a glance when ai saw what they were doing. The lip reader should be ashamed.

There are a number of YouTube channels purely for this - following the Royals and reading their lips. Before long we'll have cameras in their cars and houses in the hope that someone will catch Catherine with her dress tucked into her knickers so everyone can have a snigger.

I'm not a royalist and have no interest in celebs but I consider this extremely intrusive. Lip read what a wife is saying to her husband when they are out and about? Even if it is nothing more than 'Gosh George is growing out of those trousers' that has nothing to do with anyone outside of their family.

AmberGran
I agree, but there is evidently a market for this sort of rude intrusion.

Yes, and a need to see someone in the public eye being humiliated

How unkind

You could say “Gosh, George is growing out of those trousers” with your teeth gritted and hardly making any lip and jaw movements at all 🤣🤣🤣

You could say “Gosh the king is on his last legs” or “Gosh I really need to go to the loo” with pretty much the same face.

Pernicious speculation.

nexus63

they are the royal family and they are out in public or being televised, they should have no expectations of privacy, if they don't know to keep there mouths shut about certain things then that is there fault.

their not there.

Perhaps they all need to take lessons from a ventriloquist.