Channel 4 9pm Keir Starmer. where did it all go wrong?

And thank goodness for the good relationships that Starmer has developed with our European allies over the years, too.

Basgetti

Oreo

He won’t be there for longer than another year.

Interested to know why you think so and who you believe will replace him.
His approval rating has increased because of this ridiculous “war” (money making opportunity for Trump and get out of jail card for Netanyahu) and I think the longer it continues, the more people will appreciate KS for the level head he is.
(I’m a floating voter, no particular allegiance: I’m glad he’s our PM atm.)
What is it that makes you so sure?

I'm with you on this.

Thank heaven he is our PM right now - just imagine if it were Johnson or Truss. It does not bear thinking about ...

Yes, I am serious. It is now recognised that there are many forms of intelligence. And that there are various ways to attempt to calculate these.
Angela R does not have a university degree. That no longer means that she is not intelligent.

If there is a leadership challenge, on current thinking, I’d still vote KS

Oreo

He won’t be there for longer than another year.

Interested to know why you think so and who you believe will replace him.
His approval rating has increased because of this ridiculous “war” (money making opportunity for Trump and get out of jail card for Netanyahu) and I think the longer it continues, the more people will appreciate KS for the level head he is.
(I’m a floating voter, no particular allegiance: I’m glad he’s our PM atm.)
What is it that makes you so sure?

Casdon

You seem to be sailing very close to the wind tonight Primrose53, surely you’re not implying you support the intentions of men who aimed to kill people through arson?

I would say that’s twisting another posters words by inference.
There’s nothing to support that view in Primrose53 comments other than wanting to know more about the story.
Were they really rent boys, didn’t know that🤔 it did seem a curious case.

Iam64
I disagreed with that decision on selling council houses but it has nothing to do with her intelligence.
I disagree with many of Starmer’s policies too but know that he’s intelligent too.

Primrose53

Casdon

You seem to be sailing very close to the wind tonight Primrose53, surely you’re not implying you support the intentions of men who aimed to kill people through arson?

No I’m not and No I’m most definitely not supporting them.

What do you mean then?

Casdon

You seem to be sailing very close to the wind tonight Primrose53, surely you’re not implying you support the intentions of men who aimed to kill people through arson?

No I’m not and No I’m most definitely not supporting them.

valdavi

Doodledog

'In crisis', 'is toast', 'fallen off a cliff', 'on its knees', 'rabbit in the headlights' - as long as people talk like that nobody will say anything meaningful, so discussion will become impossible.

Those words are being drip-fed to us, the general public. By the media, on social media, ? by Reform's chatbots.

The crisis that I'm chronically worried about is climate change. But that is one "crisis" that this campaign to get everyone well-worried, never mentions.

You're right. But it's ok - most people know what the soundbites mean, so never mind that using cliches means that the users' words can be twisted because they never meant what they said in the first place. It's utterly depressing.

You seem to be sailing very close to the wind tonight Primrose53, surely you’re not implying you support the intentions of men who aimed to kill people through arson?

It all went very quiet indeed (some might say hushed up) but I am looking forward to the trial of the Ukrainian rent boys who set fire to property belonging to Keir Starmer. Very dodgy story. Mid April should be very interesting.

DrWatson, I do know someone working in the Crown Prosecution Service when it was led by Mr Starmer.
This person was perfectly happy with his leadership, as were their colleagues.

Interesting comment Oreo. I see Thstcher as lots of things, including determined and in many ways a strong leader
I loathed her politics and what she (with help from Scargill) to our mining communities

I don’t see it as intelligent to sell off social housing and decimate industries

AR is an unknown where intelligence is concerned but we know that MT was even if we didn’t agree with her politics.

Maremia

Interesting, how is intelligence measured?
If you don't have a University degree, does that mean you are not intelligent?

Are you serious?😬😲

Interesting, how is intelligence measured?
If you don't have a University degree, does that mean you are not intelligent?

I doubt very much that she has the intelligence of Thatcher.

For someone to reach the political heights that Rayner has from her disadvantaged beginnings shows extreme talent imo.

We are now scraping the bottom of the comments barrel.

Cossy

I disagree, I believed he was PM and even after a very shaky start I still believe it.

Reasons, he’s bright and well educated, measured and calm.

He’s not the issue, I’m not keen on RR, and I am a fan of both Andy Burnham and Angela Rayner.

The issue is the Labour Party itself, some still very angry about Corbyn, the communications/media side of the LP is utterly abysmal and I also cannot think of anyone, on any side of the house, I’d prefer to have “steering” us through the mess of our world.

Starmer never actually stood a chance, the media hated him from the get-go.

I think Angela Rayner is truly a loudmouth, crass horrible woman. Little talent and poorly informed.

She always seems to have her eye on the main chance and is just another Thatcher in the making.

God help us all.if she became PM.

Menopauselbitch

You obviously have not read their mandate and just listened to what the left say.

Of course I have. I’m not inclined to make daft comments without understanding. I do understand too that the left of Labour are not in power, nor will they be.

You obviously have not read their mandate and just listened to what the left say.

Siptree

His obfuscation around answering questions at PMQs and in interviews is off the scale. A thing he consistently accused the opposition of when they were in power. It reached the point where even the speaker has to keep pointing out he has no power to make him answer. It makes him look weak and hypocritical.

It makes him look like every PM in recent history. PMQ is a game, a jousting match for politicians to showcase their party views, and for PMs and ministers to block questions they don’t want to answer. Starmer is no worse at playing the game than the others. I wish the rules of the game would change, but they haven’t in the ten years plus that I’ve been watching regularly.

Luckygirl3

spabbygirl

Cossy

I disagree, I believed he was PM and even after a very shaky start I still believe it.

Reasons, he’s bright and well educated, measured and calm.

He’s not the issue, I’m not keen on RR, and I am a fan of both Andy Burnham and Angela Rayner.

The issue is the Labour Party itself, some still very angry about Corbyn, the communications/media side of the LP is utterly abysmal and I also cannot think of anyone, on any side of the house, I’d prefer to have “steering” us through the mess of our world.

Starmer never actually stood a chance, the media hated him from the get-go.

I completely agree Cossy, Keir is doing fine, you should see the amount of support he has on threads, this dislike of him is manufactured cos he doesn't have the communication skills of Boris. But I feel perfectly safe with Keir in charge at the moment, no-one would have done a better job

I'm with you on that!

Me too.