At the risk of being shot down

Sorry wasn’t referring to gransrock or dogsmother just fatfingers

petra

gransruleok

Strictly come dancing is now a thing of the past in my house. Sorry - but a man floating around in a gold frock is too much.
It made me feel very uncomfortable in my own home. I switched off immediately. The powers that be will have to have a long hard look at what the public wants on a Saturday night. A dancing competition would be good - you know - one that involves dancing.

I think you’re just riling people for a laugh 😂
You are having a laugh, aren’t you 🤷‍♀️

Nothing funny there, we are perfectly entitled to feel however we wish. It's strange that you don't understand that.

Sago

I am another that has never watched Strictly, I googled it and was very underwhelmed.
It’s just a man in a dress wanting some attention.
If you have little personality and presence then maybe you need to shock with your clothing.

If you’ve never watched it and going on Google how can you possibly comment and a rather rude one at that.Any idea of his back story? Probably not.

dogsmother

Gransrock if it’s so nauseating for you, the off button is probably your best option.

I met Grayson Perry once very briefly . He was wearing normal clothes ie not dressed as a little girl and I cannot pinpoint why but I think he is afraid of women.. when you think of how wealthy men dressed in the 17th century then I feel sorry for men who would like to dress flamboyantly and fashion decrees otherwise. Transmen are another kettle of fish.

Aveline

Humans can wear what they want but can also judge others if they want to. People can take their pick.

I think comment or make observations is a better choice of words.

Actually, imo, no one had the right to judge another human’s choice of attire.

I do agree it could do with “reviewing” BUT I will say that all TV programmes that run for a long period of time have to try and attract new viewers for pretty obvious reasons.

Look at the average age of the contestants?

In order to keep viewers watching of similar ages to many of the contestants, they need to try and keep something in the show to appeal to a cross section of viewers (or dressers haha).

What I really find irritating and annoying is the bit where they announce it’s time to vote! All that shouting and screaming, I hate it!

I really don’t mind the little inserts showing a bit of rehearsals or “outings”, but if they did remove that part we could have a group dance mid way from all the professionals.

There’s a ton of “celebrities” on lots of programmes I know longer know or recognise. I guess because I’m old!

I must admit, I loved it back in the day when Hollywood royalty were real stars and I recognised most celebrities.

However, times move on and we inhabit a very different world now.

I knew most people on Strictly this year.

gransruleok

Strictly come dancing is now a thing of the past in my house. Sorry - but a man floating around in a gold frock is too much.
It made me feel very uncomfortable in my own home. I switched off immediately. The powers that be will have to have a long hard look at what the public wants on a Saturday night. A dancing competition would be good - you know - one that involves dancing.

I think you’re just riling people for a laugh 😂
You are having a laugh, aren’t you 🤷‍♀️

Humans can wear what they want but can also judge others if they want to. People can take their pick.

I didn't watch last night so can't comment. However, I think it's a reasonable opinion to think the whole format could do with an overhaul. We were avid viewers at one time, it was always synonymous with the run up to Christmas. Occasionally I'll have it on on my laptop whilst I'm preparing our Saturday evening meal to which my o/h will say something like "you're not still watching that" well not with much enthusiasm. Like a lot of people, I'm only interested in the dances and the rest of the content is so overloaded with nonsense. For example those stupid skits that form a preface to the dance is the first item I'd get rid of they're really annoying. It's definitely time for an overhaul, the dancing content is too minimal as an overall percentage of the time allotted to the programme.

It was not a dress

🤦‍♀️ I give up

Sago

I am another that has never watched Strictly, I googled it and was very underwhelmed.
It’s just a man in a dress wanting some attention.
If you have little personality and presence then maybe you need to shock with your clothing.

Very unfair!

JoJo has masses of personality, he’s a great dancer and has a good attitude.

I’ve seen him twice live, he’s extremely talented, dedicated and had to work his socks off to get where he is.

How utterly narrow minded.

YorkLady

I have stopped watching after the first episode of this series.
The show hasn’t been for me this time.
My thoughts about Johannes and his outfit (which is all over social media) is how does this family show think we are explaining this to our children?

Omg! Are you for real?

Simply explain, if they even ask, that us humans can actually wear what we like without judgement. It’s not as if he’s dancing around with his penis hanging out!

Kilts are traditional and look amazing. This show has become a sad parody. Shame really.

Look what we are served up by way of entertainment. It's embarassing.

I am another that has never watched Strictly, I googled it and was very underwhelmed.
It’s just a man in a dress wanting some attention.
If you have little personality and presence then maybe you need to shock with your clothing.

Luckygirl3

I see the trailers for the programme and never watch it - too in your face for my taste. And full of so-called "slebs" many of whom I do not know.

I do not like Grayson Perry ever since hearing him on a podcast where the female interviewer asked him if he wore these clothes for sexual arousal and he said yes. The interviewer said this made her feel uncomfortable as if she was being complicit in his sexual pleasure without her consent. He could see no problem with it and more or less said she had to just tolerate it.

I found this on Twitter some time ago, which I felt added some perspective and makes women's feelings of discomfort in such situations very understandable:

la scapigliata v
@lascapigliata8

"Paraphilias almost exclusivelly affect men. There's no evidence of female equivalence with male crossdressing, because gendered hierarchy is unequal, so if women try to adopt male identities, do so to avoid sexualisation, while men crossdress to invite it.'

Oh dear!!

Oh well, each to his and her views.

For me, who studied Drama and Theatre Arts for two full time years at 18 and did after school Drama for the preceding 8 years, it’s simply all part and parcel of some involved in performing arts, it troubles me not one bit.

Men wearing dresses is hardly new! Back in Shakespeare’s day all actors were male and played all the parts in theatre, male, female, fairies, pixies, animals etc.

Quentin Crisp?

For me, and I recognise and acknowledge all have different views and opinions, and that’s also fine, I do not not give two figs if grown up adults are straight, gay, trans, cis, LBQGT, etc., so long as they are good souls, live and work, keep within the law and live a good life, I couldn’t care less, wear a skirt, a robe, a dress or a three piece suit, makes no odds whatsoever.

My Scottish neighbours probably agree!

I thought the outfit was actually very full trousers. It didn't spoil my viewing, I just accept it as his choice. I stopped watching Strictly for a few years, but in the absence of much else on TV to interest me, I started again this year. I love Josh as a comedian but think he is not a good fit for this show. I record the programme so that I can fast forward the tedious bits.

Apologies gransrule.

How do you feel about men in knee length tartan skirts? (ie kilts)

I am not judging, just asking.

Gransrock if it’s so nauseating for you, the off button is probably your best option.

It’s decidedly different to a kaftan, he could have worn that frock in the professional dance and got away with it, but that and all the ‘sincere darling’ everyone is just sick making. IMHO.

gransruleok it was not a gold frock it was a floaty top and wide leg trousers.

Johannes did put on a net underskirt over his trousers whilst interviewing Lacey who had a net underskirt as part of her costume. They were I think joking about it being awkward.

I see the trailers for the programme and never watch it - too in your face for my taste. And full of so-called "slebs" many of whom I do not know.

I do not like Grayson Perry ever since hearing him on a podcast where the female interviewer asked him if he wore these clothes for sexual arousal and he said yes. The interviewer said this made her feel uncomfortable as if she was being complicit in his sexual pleasure without her consent. He could see no problem with it and more or less said she had to just tolerate it.

I got sick of it several series ago. I'd definitely not watch it if men in dresses are involved. Just not interested. Oreo says it all.

Was it so different to a kaftan, he is a gregarious dresser so what is the problem really.