At the risk of being shot down

I've never watched Strictly. Never wanted to and anyway we don't have a telly. But I'm posting here because I read somewhere yesterday that since Nigella Lawson appeared on Bake Off, its popularity has overtaken Strictly's.

Well, in a country where Grayson Perry is lauded and celebrated done up as a little girl I would say we may well have gone past the point of no return.Where men say they are women and that they have a lady penis.Where women who complain about men in their changing rooms or are put on a mixed hospital ward when ill and vulnerable are told nothing can be done and to shut up.
Where kids in school can claim they’re a cat and want respect from teachers, or where teachers can be suspended or fired for forgetting pronouns.
A bloke flouncing around in a gold dress is small potatoes.

I’ve not watched it for ages but occasionally I do flick through on catch up just to hopefully, see some dancing. I think the tide is turning on a lot of these awful programmes….and on some other things….but it’s painfully slow.

Somebody somewhere gets an idea...a baking show, a quiz, dancing. Then they squeeze the life out of it and it becomes throughly unpleasant. It's sad.

I have stopped watching after the first episode of this series.
The show hasn’t been for me this time.
My thoughts about Johannes and his outfit (which is all over social media) is how does this family show think we are explaining this to our children?

Was it so different to a kaftan, he is a gregarious dresser so what is the problem really.

I got sick of it several series ago. I'd definitely not watch it if men in dresses are involved. Just not interested. Oreo says it all.

I see the trailers for the programme and never watch it - too in your face for my taste. And full of so-called "slebs" many of whom I do not know.

I do not like Grayson Perry ever since hearing him on a podcast where the female interviewer asked him if he wore these clothes for sexual arousal and he said yes. The interviewer said this made her feel uncomfortable as if she was being complicit in his sexual pleasure without her consent. He could see no problem with it and more or less said she had to just tolerate it.

gransruleok it was not a gold frock it was a floaty top and wide leg trousers.

Johannes did put on a net underskirt over his trousers whilst interviewing Lacey who had a net underskirt as part of her costume. They were I think joking about it being awkward.

It’s decidedly different to a kaftan, he could have worn that frock in the professional dance and got away with it, but that and all the ‘sincere darling’ everyone is just sick making. IMHO.

Gransrock if it’s so nauseating for you, the off button is probably your best option.

How do you feel about men in knee length tartan skirts? (ie kilts)

I am not judging, just asking.

Apologies gransrule.

I thought the outfit was actually very full trousers. It didn't spoil my viewing, I just accept it as his choice. I stopped watching Strictly for a few years, but in the absence of much else on TV to interest me, I started again this year. I love Josh as a comedian but think he is not a good fit for this show. I record the programme so that I can fast forward the tedious bits.

Oh dear!!

Oh well, each to his and her views.

For me, who studied Drama and Theatre Arts for two full time years at 18 and did after school Drama for the preceding 8 years, it’s simply all part and parcel of some involved in performing arts, it troubles me not one bit.

Men wearing dresses is hardly new! Back in Shakespeare’s day all actors were male and played all the parts in theatre, male, female, fairies, pixies, animals etc.

Quentin Crisp?

For me, and I recognise and acknowledge all have different views and opinions, and that’s also fine, I do not not give two figs if grown up adults are straight, gay, trans, cis, LBQGT, etc., so long as they are good souls, live and work, keep within the law and live a good life, I couldn’t care less, wear a skirt, a robe, a dress or a three piece suit, makes no odds whatsoever.

My Scottish neighbours probably agree!

Luckygirl3

I see the trailers for the programme and never watch it - too in your face for my taste. And full of so-called "slebs" many of whom I do not know.

I do not like Grayson Perry ever since hearing him on a podcast where the female interviewer asked him if he wore these clothes for sexual arousal and he said yes. The interviewer said this made her feel uncomfortable as if she was being complicit in his sexual pleasure without her consent. He could see no problem with it and more or less said she had to just tolerate it.

I found this on Twitter some time ago, which I felt added some perspective and makes women's feelings of discomfort in such situations very understandable:

la scapigliata v
@lascapigliata8

"Paraphilias almost exclusivelly affect men. There's no evidence of female equivalence with male crossdressing, because gendered hierarchy is unequal, so if women try to adopt male identities, do so to avoid sexualisation, while men crossdress to invite it.'

I am another that has never watched Strictly, I googled it and was very underwhelmed.
It’s just a man in a dress wanting some attention.
If you have little personality and presence then maybe you need to shock with your clothing.

Kilts are traditional and look amazing. This show has become a sad parody. Shame really.

Look what we are served up by way of entertainment. It's embarassing.

YorkLady

I have stopped watching after the first episode of this series.
The show hasn’t been for me this time.
My thoughts about Johannes and his outfit (which is all over social media) is how does this family show think we are explaining this to our children?

Omg! Are you for real?

Simply explain, if they even ask, that us humans can actually wear what we like without judgement. It’s not as if he’s dancing around with his penis hanging out!

Sago

I am another that has never watched Strictly, I googled it and was very underwhelmed.
It’s just a man in a dress wanting some attention.
If you have little personality and presence then maybe you need to shock with your clothing.

Very unfair!

JoJo has masses of personality, he’s a great dancer and has a good attitude.

I’ve seen him twice live, he’s extremely talented, dedicated and had to work his socks off to get where he is.

How utterly narrow minded.

It was not a dress

🤦‍♀️ I give up

I didn't watch last night so can't comment. However, I think it's a reasonable opinion to think the whole format could do with an overhaul. We were avid viewers at one time, it was always synonymous with the run up to Christmas. Occasionally I'll have it on on my laptop whilst I'm preparing our Saturday evening meal to which my o/h will say something like "you're not still watching that" well not with much enthusiasm. Like a lot of people, I'm only interested in the dances and the rest of the content is so overloaded with nonsense. For example those stupid skits that form a preface to the dance is the first item I'd get rid of they're really annoying. It's definitely time for an overhaul, the dancing content is too minimal as an overall percentage of the time allotted to the programme.

Humans can wear what they want but can also judge others if they want to. People can take their pick.

gransruleok

Strictly come dancing is now a thing of the past in my house. Sorry - but a man floating around in a gold frock is too much.
It made me feel very uncomfortable in my own home. I switched off immediately. The powers that be will have to have a long hard look at what the public wants on a Saturday night. A dancing competition would be good - you know - one that involves dancing.

I think you’re just riling people for a laugh 😂
You are having a laugh, aren’t you 🤷‍♀️