World overpopulation

Maggie, no. but I can live with it.

(Gs's gorgeous)

Nature's own population control method - famine

I don't think I've ever read a more outrageous statement on GN!

In this day and age surely famine is always as a result of incompetent governance or warfare.

Yes Riverwalk it is mans war and poor (corrupt )government . If it wasn't for war there wouldn't be the same migration

I think that what Tricia has said about famine and nature etc is just a fact, if nature were allowed to go ahead with no help from man, famine and illness would control populations. nobody is saying this is Good!not always war or incompetent governments.

roses can you give a 20/21 century example of a nature famine.

I truly can not think of one.

I'm sure they are, jingl. It's boy central here too!

There are frequent famines among deer populations in Scotland during particularly hard winters. Likewise of moose in Canada.

My comment was in a historic 'mode' as I assumed Tricia's was.terrible weather conditions, no crops etc.we can now do something about that, but in the past, people starved.

OMG are some people really suggesting that we let people starve to death simply to control the world population.

Another main area of population growth - Muslim countries. Predicted to be nearly as many as Christians by 2050. Religious Muslims don't practise birth control.

And the problem with an equal number of Christians and Muslims is....?

No VQ, calm yourself, nobody was suggesting that at all.

I think you need to read TriciaF's post regarding natures methods of population control and the increasing number of Muslims.

The answer to tricia's post is that in fact the rate of population growth in Africa is slowing down. This is because infant mortality is falling and people don't need to have as many children as in the past. It's the same thing as happened in Europe as living standards went up.

Which is good news, not bad.

Oh dear - sorry if I upset some of you. I didn't write the article, just summarised it. And I'm not saying I agree with it, just that it's another way of looking at the problem.
Thatbags, I hope that's right about population growth slowing down in Africa. What about AIDS?
India is another country where they're trying to encourage people to use birth control. But sadly for the very poor it is still lack of food which limits family size.
And China has had a policy of one child per family since 1980. With recent slight changes.

Chinas solution has led to a shortage of brides , which is another solution !

Sorry TriciaF. That's the problem with just seeing the words and not knowing how the writer meant it. I thought it was your opinion.

Please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding and my reaction.

"And the problem with an equal number of Christians and Muslims is....?" (quoting vampirequeen)

The problem is that Christianity is a religion far more native to these shores than Islam. And more suited to the British way of life. Less likelihood of extremism for one thing.

Apologies accepted Vampirequeen

Paganism is more native to these shores than the 'foreign' import, Christianity.

Christianity was introduced in the first century AD by artisans and soldiers who came over and told stories of Jesus along with tales of their pagan gods but it never really took hold. By 313AD Constantine saw Christianity as a way to unify and control his empire so it was tolerated but in England it remained a minority faith. The influx of the pagan Angles, Saxons and Jutes pushed Christianity even further out. St Augustine came in 597AD to convert the population again but even then it took almost 500 years to become the prevalent religion and that mainly because the rulers, like Constantine, saw how it could be used to control society. It's not so certain that the people saw it the same way. Look at the Celtic crosses in a lot of old churches. They're often decorated with Christian symbols on one side and Viking gods/stories on the other. Probably a sign that people were hedging their bets.

As for Christian extremists I draw your attention to:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Voice_(UK)
www.christianvoice.org.uk/
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/christian-extremists-steal-statue-of-celtic-sea-god-from-mountain-top-in-northern-ireland-30929777.html

www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/army-god-6-modern-day-christian-terrorist-groups-you-never-hear-about

If you want more evidence just Google Christian extremism.

I think Christianity has lasted longer than paganism.

You don't really expect me to read that lot?! (Post or links )

jingl Wasn't the OP about world population, not simply the UK?

soontobe People are migrating, and no country on earth seems to want to take them.

What on earth do you mean by this and where on earth did you find this piece of misinformation?

Read the thread Absent. Read the newspapers as well.

It's up to you whether or not you read my posts or follow any links. I just put them there as evidence of Christian extremism rather than simply stating it exists.

It's possible that neolithic doni figures were used in some sort of religious ritual but that is still open to debate. However considering it is agreed that Mesopotamian civilisation emerged in around 5000BC and that they worshipped a variety of gods including Ishtar and Enki, I'd say it's pretty certain that paganism is far older than Christianity.

Well we know that much.

I was simply pointing out that actually paganism has lasted longer than Christianity.