Derek Chauvin trial

Suziewoozie this shows how different the policing is in the UK. Too many equate us as being the same. Thank goodness we are not. To me it is irrelevant if Floyd was black or white or a criminalor if Chauvin is black or white. What is relevant is that the facts come out and guilt or innocence is decided on the facts. To me that is justice. Aside from that this case has thrown up racial issues and policing methods which should be addressed.

"It wont change without a lot of noise" I agree Summerlove but you can make a lot of noise with protests, you don't have to riot.

25Avalon

Suziewoozie this shows how different the policing is in the UK. Too many equate us as being the same. Thank goodness we are not. To me it is irrelevant if Floyd was black or white or a criminalor if Chauvin is black or white. What is relevant is that the facts come out and guilt or innocence is decided on the facts. To me that is justice. Aside from that this case has thrown up racial issues and policing methods which should be addressed.

There's much evidence that the US system - , education, housing, employment , police, courts etc are riven with racism. It’s absolutely relevant that George Floyd was black - it was relevant from the day he was born. ‘Facts ‘ are interpreted through the prism of racism which underpins whatever justice means

Sorry Suziewoozie I don’t agree. Floyd had drugs in his system and a heart condition which could be the main cause of death or even the only cause of death or Chauvin’s knee could be the main cause. I don’t know I’m not a pathologist and this will all be presented in evidence for the jury to decide and then the pathologists report could make the difference between the degree of murder or manslaughter.

Also I said to me.

I agree 25Avalon
The important thing is that it is a fair trial with all the relevant aspects of Floyd’s health and lifestyle choices explored.
Surprisingly the first autopsy report could find no evidence of asphyxiation being the cause of death but a further one had a different result.
Which was correct?
That’s for the experts to decide when the evidence is presented at the trial.

25Avalon and JenniferEccles, you seem to be putting considerable emphasis on the attempts being made by the defence to refute the murder/manslaughter charges.
Of course, everyone is entitled to a fair trial. Everyone is also entitled to be arrested with minimum force.

Good posts Eloethan and Monica about police/ training in the US.Nothing like here, thankfully.

Iam yes, everyone is entitled to be arrested with minimum force, but if approved methods of containing and subduing a
Suspected criminal ( kneeling on the neck included) by police officers is allowed if they think the situation warrants it, then I can’t see that a jury can find him guilty, certainly not of murder. What needs to change is taking away the right for officers to do this, and substituting some other method which can’t have a lethal outcome.
Police officers in the US quite often kill unarmed suspects, in the main by shooting them.If they yell ‘stop...police!’or ‘stop or I’ll shoot’ and the suspect runs, then they do shoot.This includes suspects such as teenage shoplifters!
It all comes about, as we know from being a society where it’s legal to be armed to the teeth.

25Avalon yes, we need to know all the details, but I think that the practise of neck kneeling is always going to now and then cause death ( even if health factors are contributing to that) so they should stop doing it.Once a suspect is down, handcuffs can be used.This case is an awful one.

Iam64 I have put no more emphasis on what the defence say to what the prosecution say. This should be a fair trial remember. But as I have said before whatever the outcome of this trial police methods of restraint need to be looked at and amended. Neck kneeling was an authorised method of restraint so there is responsibility there by the police authority who authorised its use.

It's just beyond me why he needed to be knelt on for that long. There were 4 police officers there, he was handcuffed, he was on the floor, and they had mace and guns. The police were not in danger.
Under 6 minutes to GF being unresponsive, yet another 3 minutes of kneeling. Maybe at the 6 minute point, he could've been saved but no, he was inert and unconscious and Chauvin was still holding him down.

suziewoozie thank you for that link. As you say, it is indeed a chilling read.

I agree with your earlier post JustMe if Floyd's medical history is in question then all the previous complaints about Chauvin should be questioned.

Police officers in the US quite often kill unarmed suspects, in the main by shooting them.If they yell ‘stop...police!’or ‘stop or I’ll shoot’ and the suspect runs, then they do shoot.This includes suspects such as teenage shoplifters!
As in the link I posted above about an innocent woman who called for help being shot dead by a policeman, even those who are not suspects are shot by police.

I agree, kneeling on suspect's neck should be banned. It sounds more like a form of torture than restraint.

Lemon and 25 Avalon- points taken., total agreement from me that neck kneeling is wrong.
Callistemon is right to point to the gun culture in the US.