Student fees

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No tax payers in Scotland? Englands saves the
Scots, Welsh and Irish from starvation

www.independent.co.uk/topic/tuition-fees

Fair selection here.

Does Sturgeon realise that England is in the EU? Strange woman. England sends money to Scotland to prop up their free university education, and she is offering free places to people in Europe, except for English students. That is discrimination We should have a rethink about this asap.

When this country moans about the lack of British doctors and nurses the Government should take heed. Our universities are full to bursting because we allow overseas students to come here, filling up the places our own children could have taken up. When they qualify and go back to their own country where does that leave our country? On top of that they increased the fees so that only the rich could afford to send their children, talented or not. Not content with that they applied a massive tax on the debt. No wonder our children think twice. Why would they saddle themselves with a £70 thousand pound debt plus interest on the loan? This comes right at the time when they want to buy their own home, get married and start a family, not to mention buying a car so they can get to work. The very idea of that debt would worry me sick never mind a 22 year old. The Tories are happy with this situation because it keeps the working class children out even though there are many who are capable of going to university. Some more so than others. The rich get educated, they therefore get the best jobs, the working class can always go to Tech school and mend their jaguars for them. This is deliberate manipulation imo, it keeps the classes separate and that is how they like it. Class snobbery at its worst.

Students were given a double whammy when the Tory government introduced interest rates on the tuition fees loan. This is what will cripple the students. They will be up to their neck in debt until they are drawing a pension. They will have to keep their wages below the threshold or they must start paying the loan off, which in the long run means that they will also draw a reduced pension. How many graduate jobs pay less than £21 thousand? The government is storing up welfare problems for the future imo. Only the rich (as usual) will benefit because they can pay the £50-£75 thousand up front....so no interest to pay! Youngsters cannot afford to buy their own home, or a car, they cannot afford to get married and start a family. I do think this is so unfair....just because they want to become a professional, doctor, dentist, scientist etc etc. No wonder they are going abroad once qualified.

The Tories got a shock in the last Election. Labour nearly won it! All because of the Tuition Fees promises. Clegg and Cameron promised to drop the fees, then trebled them, something that made people realise that they were not serious and could make whatever promises they liked, but as soon as they were in power could scrap them just as easily. I feel sorry for the youngsters, they are being 'punished' for being clever and wanting a good education. I believe we should be prepared to pay at least half the cost. We all need doctors, dentists, nurses, scientists etc etc. We also need plumbers, bricklayers, builders, electricians. I believe ALL education should be free because we all benefit in the end.

May's speech yesterday did nothing to reassure students, either in the UK or the EU.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/brexit-universities-studyeu-european-international-students-poland-a8218521.html

I bet she had a good choice of imdependent schools to visit in Maidenhead.
Why does she bother going to the country anyway, when she asks for questions from the people who have followed her from London?
Give a speech in Derby, and ask Laura , the Telegraph and Sky what their questions are?

Interesting bit when she said she was out in her constituency at the weekend Jen. Perhaps she would learn more if she went to some other constituencies.

Any brilliant John Crace article - or shredding of May.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/19/theresa-may-phillip-schofield-this-morning-sofa-student-loans

Sorry, lemon, perhaps you could explain the student loan system to me. I assume you have children/grandchildren with loans.
I have.
What have I misunderstood?

Apparently it was Nicky Morgan who “misspoke” this morning about the Labour party’s policy on tuition fees.

Labour promised to end tuition fees for future students if they were elected at the last election. That was clear and is on record.

There was no promise about clearing existing student debt.
Even on the Today programme this morning someone (can’t remember who) got confused about this. John Humphreys actually apologised at the end of the programme for the misunderstanding.

Although some voted twice lemongrove

Labour would end tuition fees altogether – and would also restore maintenance grants
Oh - has that now become LP policy and not just an 'ambition'?
I missed that somehow.

Not enough 18 year olds did vote for Corbyn though.

I don’t think you have understood the student loan durhamjen at all!
Talented but no money? If a student is up to Oxbridge then they can go there.Same with all universities, and an Oxbridge student is likely to go on to a very good career, and will have no problems paying back the loan.
You should go back and read all NemosMum’s posts on this.

May's record on tuition fees.

"Firstly, she voted to triple student tuition fees as a member of the Coalition cabinet – a particularly two-faced move after voting against tuition fees proposed by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown’s New Labour governments.

Secondly, the Tories were behind the shift away from technical qualifications – pushing tech colleges to change to universities during the early 1990s.

Mrs May is – rather desperately – trying to justify her review by saying universities are charging too much for some courses and should bring their prices down.

But didn’t her government give them carte blanche to do so? Yes, I think it did.

The aim – allegedly – was to create a “competitive market” among universities, with institutions vying to charge the least in order to attract students.

But that hasn’t happened – they all charged the maximum.

Mrs May’s idea that fees should be variable according to the quality of the course is another duffer, designed to create further division in among UK citizens; obviously, Oxbridge will charge the most, making it unreachable by people who are talented but have no money.

So a British university education will continue to be among the most expensive in the world, no matter what.

Critics in the Tory Party, like former Education Secretary Justine Greening, have said May’s plan to tinker with the system won’t do any good. She has suggested cancelling interest payments on student loans and reviving maintenance grants for poorer students.

All of the suggestions being discussed by the Tories are apparently aimed at reviving support from young people – and they’re all pointless.

Labour would end tuition fees altogether – and would also restore maintenance grants."

If you were an 18 year old, who would you vote for?

And Gillian Shephard commissioned Ron Dearing to look into it in the first place.
As I said, not Blair's finest hour.

Slight difference between £1000 and £9250, though.

The percentage of students who actually pay off this debt is very low - I think less than 20%.
Surely it would be better to reduce the fees, and debts so that most get paid off.

Yes, that makes perfect sense varian and would be a solution to the problem.

I completely agree with the PM's comment that we should value vocational and technical courses more. Many youngsters who apply to Universities would be better off doing practical and (maybe) less academic subjects. It has to be said that back in the days of secondary modern education for the less academic, many, many of those I attended school with went on to great things and we able to earn a good living all their working lives. I'd also say that most of my practical friends put me to shame with their skills in certain areas.

We need to put lots of time, effort and funding into post 16 education. Going on to the sixth form has almost become a rite of passage for young people. (Schools of course encourage even the less able to waste two valuable years attending. Bums on seats equals lots of dosh. Same applies to Universities.) They will take even the weakest students via back-door entrance onto foundation courses.

We need to play fair by our teenagers and help them realise University is not for everyone and many other routes into work and further qualifications are just as valid and as prestigious.

As for fees, we were talking to friends of our children at the weekend. Many will never repay their student loans unless they go on to become very high earners. They saw having fun at University well worth the cost. Pay back of their loans so far had been a drop in the ocean, like paying a small amount of extra tax.

If the cost of University was so outrageous and a burden for life, not many would apply for places. Many University courses locally are oversubscribed every year.

Oh and a Labour government introduced tuition fees, lest we forget.

Let's not pretend Corbyn is the saviour of students. Young people might fall for his angst regarding student debt, older people (and many more younger people) see his claims to abolish tuition fees and have student loans repaid as a massive failing of a promise which won over thousands of young people.

It was (and is) a fraudulent agenda.

Wasn't Tony Blair's finest hour, was it, NemosMum?
Sorry, I'm probably not allowed to ask you that.

Jalima1108, I totally agree about the nursing.