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Kids Club - Camilla Batmanghelijdjh

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Iam64 Sun 02-Aug-15 08:57:06

I'd be interested in the responses of others to the recent negative publicity about the charity, particularly about its CEO.

I've always felt uneasy about both the charity and it's CEO. I don't particularly like the phrase "cult of personality" but it's a simple way of describing one of my anxieties about Kids Club. Any organisation working with vulnerable children needs to be closely scrutinised, doesn't it?

loopylou Mon 10-Aug-15 18:56:41

Having read today KC Annual Accounts for the past five years, financially they have been sailing very close to insolvency throughout that time. It appears they have no Reserves (mandatory for any charity, usually 3-6 months running costs) and the Annual Report is pretty meagre, with the same number of contacts each year (as has been reported elsewhere).
Alan Yentob is Chair of Trustees and apparently has therefore been accountable for the reporting to Charities Commission and Companies House.
These may have been audited, but that isn't necessarily independent of the organisation so easy enough to be 'creative'

Penstemmon Mon 10-Aug-15 20:15:59

I am not sure why there is a comment on 'average salary'being £50k. That will mean people on lower salaries and some on higher. The charity employed doctors/psychiatrists who would be paid professional salaries. I do not think that is unreasonable.

janeainsworth Tue 11-Aug-15 07:07:30

A good analysis of why charities struggle to provide public services which the state should be providing

soontobe Tue 11-Aug-15 07:36:51

The reports that they have had no Reserves Policy is what is ringing bells for me ,accounts wise.
If that is missing, what else is missing?
And who kept overruling having that. And why? And what else was overruled.

If they had had that, Kids Company may not have folded. It would have bought them time, finance wise, which might habe been enough for other things to have got sorted.

That is why the Reserves Policy was brought in for charities.

thatbags Tue 11-Aug-15 08:39:35

Good article, janea raising some important issues.

Did anyone else read the comment below the article? That puts a different slant on things. As usual, I'm left not knowing quite what to think.

janeainsworth Tue 11-Aug-15 08:47:47

Hadn't realised there were any comments Bags blush

While the comments re KC may be valid, I still think there are massive concerns about the way successive governments have come to rely on charities to provide public services, and in doing so have placed bureaucratic constraints on them like bidding processes and tick-box accountability.

soontobe Tue 11-Aug-15 08:53:55

I agree with the first commentator that that is a bad article.

I am glad that funders are reluctant to put money into charities that dont operate with a Reserves Policy.

The Reserves Policy, as I understand it, was put in place for the very reason of charities not suddenly having to shut down overnight.
It is there for fiscal prudence.

I actually didnt know it was possible to operate a charity without it, as I assumed funding from whatever source, would not flow in without it.

soontobe Tue 11-Aug-15 08:59:43

Some charities and government have become quite intertwined in some ways.
I am not sure when that started to happen.

Having said that, a lot of the bigger charities have a lot of money going through them, so no excuse at all for not having proper procedures.

soontobe Tue 11-Aug-15 09:07:03

The article is much nearer the mark though about smaller charities. And smaller charities do indeed still have to have the different skills of people listed near the end, the costs of which make can them hard to keep afloat.

EmilyHarburn Thu 13-Aug-15 15:11:20

I have found this tread very interesting. Thank you Absentgrandma for pointing out that Harriet Sergeant is writing about Kids Company. I have read two of her books and have respect for her views, especially as I had already heard a few years ago, that some workers at Kid’s Company were not happy with how it was run and were not encouraged to communicate their concerns to management.

I believe that small local charities are desirable. That central government should contribute funds to local authorities tagged to the support of sections of society with specific social problems. I think this funding was known as SSA can’t remember quite what it stood for ?Spending Assessment. The millions that Kids Company received over the years will have been top sliced from the central pot meaning that there was less money for local authorities to spend. There are many less ‘popular’ causes loosing their funding at present and I hope government will turn their attention to these and that they will fund Local Authorities to pick up the clients left high and dry by the Kid's Company closure.

Iam64 Fri 14-Aug-15 08:36:33

I don't believe there is even a remote possibility that the current government will fund local authorities so clients left high and dry by Kid's Company's closure can be supported. The government is cutting 40% more of l.a. funding. Services for people / children with mental health/addiction/social/housing/child care neglect etc etc etc - all being slashed. Sure Start centres closing or reducing what they offer to vulnerable families, it's so depressing and in the longer term will cost us a lot financially and socially.

rosequartz Mon 17-Aug-15 23:13:06

The Government has contributed, I believe, £30 million to Kids' Company over the years and the number of children helped has, allegedly, been depressingly few. That £30 million could have been better directed into local authorities.

durhamjen Tue 18-Aug-15 00:19:08

This is a very interesting interview with her.

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/14/camila-batmanghelidjh-interview-im-actually-quite-rigorous

Apparently she has now opened a food bank and fifty of the staff are going to work with her.
What I find very interesting is that Deloitte's have let her set up her office space in their office block. Philanthropy in the City.

Grannyknot Tue 18-Aug-15 07:48:28

If the charity was running into financial difficulties which they would have foreseen with budget monitoring, why did it not have a 'planned exit'?

I am on the Board of a small charity (which operates hand-to-mouth as there is no funding) and a planned exit strategy is always on the table (using our reserves).

soontobe Tue 18-Aug-15 08:01:27

The government is cutting 40% more of l.a. funding

That isnt a definite is it? And it is up to 40% in some financial areas? Or have I got that wrong.

soontobe Tue 18-Aug-15 08:06:00

There doesnt seem to me to be much of a doubt, that the charity should not have ended in that way.
There are procedures in place that should have stopped that happening.

The Charity Commission has probably got some explaining to do as well.
I thought they had legal and financial teeth, but now I am not so sure.

Grannyknot Fri 16-Oct-15 10:46:03

This write up of the hearing yesterday has some real "laugh out loud" moments, it's all pretty bonkers. E.g.:

"On occasion the pair fell into verbal traps of their own creation. One exchange was widely shared on social media:

Batmanghelidjh: 'On what basis do you describe this as a failing charity?'
Jenkin: “Because it’s gone bust.' "

Funny, I "bumped into" Alan Yentob in Bloomsbury the other day, just him and me and an empty road, he looked like he'd rather not be recognised (it was clear that I had clocked who he was).

Grannyknot Fri 16-Oct-15 10:46:37

Oops meant to post the link:

www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/kids-company-founder-accused-of-producing-verbal-ectoplasm-i#.db06259yb

Love the "verbal ectoplasm".