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Syria - what is to be done?

(238 Posts)
whitewave Wed 05-Apr-17 08:22:37

Listening to an American this morning talking about air strikes. I haven't a clue but Assad must be stopped.

mcem Wed 05-Apr-17 08:55:19

A connection has been made and I'd need reasoned and logical argument/explanation now to dislodge it.
The very simplistic thought is this - It seems that Assad's forces caused this latest tragedy.Theresa M negotiates arms deals with those who support Assad.
How can UK not be indirectly responsible?

nina1959 Wed 05-Apr-17 09:13:37

And we're leaving the trade of the EU to sell arms to the Middle East to blow up Yemen and then we're sending aid to Yemen.

annodomini Wed 05-Apr-17 09:29:17

mcem, the same could be said about our weaponry being used by Saudi Arabia against Yemen.

radicalnan Wed 05-Apr-17 10:04:10

It is like musical chairs, our constant interference in things that can never be ended and we side with people, who then change tack and all we do is make things worse.

Keep our bloody noses out, that is what needs to be done, everywhere.

suttonJ Wed 05-Apr-17 12:58:55

Can it get any more vomit inducing and heart breaking, than knowing your own country is cosying up to the Saudis and selling them vast quantities of arms, which are then used to deadly effect in the Yemen......whilst we give humanitarian aid to the Yemen to relieve the suffering caused by those arms.
Please everyone, consider supporting a small but committed and effective charity called CAAT, Campaign against the Arms Trade.

nina1959 Wed 05-Apr-17 13:07:33

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/06/falling-birth-rates-could-spell-end-of-the-west---lord-sacks/

Last paragraph says it all.

M0nica Wed 05-Apr-17 17:18:34

If someone knew what to do, it would have been done several years ago, but Syria, like North Korea, is a problem without a a workable solution.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Apr-17 18:19:56

The UN seems very effective at wringing its hands and not much else unfortunately.

durhamjen Wed 05-Apr-17 18:21:03

act.thesyriacampaign.org/go/494?t=2&akid=454.124249.khCyKF

whitewave Wed 05-Apr-17 18:23:17

I am beginning to wonder whether the UN is passed its sell by date and something new and different with teeth needs to be set up.

M0nica Wed 05-Apr-17 19:54:49

The UN has teeth, it just isn't allowed to use them. Any new organisation will have identical problems.

MawBroon Thu 06-Apr-17 07:34:11

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/syria-gas-attack-sobbing-father-cradles-dead-twins-19-family/

I do not have words to describe my horror but this image will live with me for a long, long time. sad

Luckygirl Thu 06-Apr-17 07:48:57

It is all unspeakable and we are all so helpless. sad

notnormal Thu 06-Apr-17 08:48:18

Will the US now join in? The dreaded Trump has at last taken some notice. Cut

mcem Thu 06-Apr-17 09:02:36

The only 'justification' I've heard that in any way rings true, for Britain's involvement in the arms trade is employment.
I know it's a huge industry and I know that shutting it down will cause problems but I can't accept that these jobs are legitimate.
How many of us who've invested any cash at all whether bonds, pensions or anything else, have actually questioned where our money goes?
My few experiences of investing have shown me that ethical funds are available. The return is less but the investors have no blood on their hands.
Time to think radically and since there is so little we can do, then it's time for individuals to do that little bit.

rosesarered Thu 06-Apr-17 09:15:55

I agree with your posts Monica Syria is so complex a problem that it doesn't have a workable solution and may not end until the whole country is rubble and most people dead or gone elsewhere.

petra Thu 06-Apr-17 09:20:28

Rose I agree, it's so bad that what you say is about the size of it.

TerriBull Thu 06-Apr-17 09:31:32

I don't think I've seen anything more heartbreaking than the picture of a father holding his dead baby twins. How can that man live with himself.

Blinko Thu 06-Apr-17 11:17:42

I'm sure the diplomatic skills of President Trump will resolve it in a trice. John Wayne to the rescue - not!

Jalima1108 Thu 06-Apr-17 11:58:59

This was on my FB page this morning, a copy of an email sent to someone who helps refugees in Turkey, I hope it is OK to copy it here:
Dear D*******,
You may have heard about the chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun in northern Syria. My friend Abed was at the scene and updating me on Whatsapp. He and others counted more than 60 people dead: suffocated by a poisonous gas from a bombing yesterday morning. Most of the photos that are being sent are of vulnerable people, little babies and the elderly. Chemical attacks affect their lungs the most and they are the first to die.
We thought we were done with chemical weapons, and especially with sarin gas. But the pictures I’m scrolling through look exactly like the ones I took four years ago in Eastern Ghouta. I survived the Syrian regime’s sarin gas attack there in 2013 where I was living and working as a war photographer.
I uploaded the photos and they were picked up around the world. Promises were made that it wouldn’t happen again. Red lines were drawn. World leaders guaranteed it.
Today I’m in Brussels where some leading European politicians are talking about pouring billions of dollars of reconstruction money into the regime responsible both for the chemical attack in 2013, the one today, and countless other war crimes in my country.
We have decided to mock these people and their unbelievable positions.
Please watch this 60 second video of the brand new device called PEG which shows how politicians are ignoring war crimes. Sometimes humour is the best way to make powerful people take action.
As a Syrian I am used to dark humour. It is how we survive the worst times. Humour is what makes us human. It will never be taken away from me.
I am furious that politicians from Europe and the US are considering cutting deals with Bashar al-Assad, while he continues to gas his own people. I’ll be out on the streets of Brussels with friends, launching this new satirical campaign that will shame those politicians who think it’s ok to cut deals with war criminals.
You can play a critical part by watching, signing and sharing the campaign at NosePeg.com. These politicians are obsessed with their media profiles, so if we can shame them online as well as in the real world, we can make them listen. When we reach 25,000 signatures we’ll deliver actual PEGs to those politicians looking to ignore war crimes in Syria.
Thanks,
Artino

durhamjen Thu 06-Apr-17 15:43:56

Jalima, my link on Wednesday.

Ana Thu 06-Apr-17 15:56:04

As you know, we don't all read your links, durhamjen. Thanks Jalima.

durhamjen Thu 06-Apr-17 16:33:53

It looks better in colour, Ana.
You need to read another thread.

Ana Thu 06-Apr-17 16:35:29

I won't even pretend to understand what that strange comment means...