A look at Momentum

If Momentum exclude far left groups how come the communist party were present at the Momentum conference held last year in the same town and same week as the Labour Party conference ?

I would like to see some evidence annie

But I think I have the answer for you - I read it amongst the miriad stuff -I will try to find it.

They were there Whitewave, even selling their newspaper at the entrance , it was shown on the news and I was told by two labour MP's I trust they were there.

Why hold a conference at the same time in the same town? If labour supporters why not attend the Labour Party conference not hold a seperate one ?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/18/secret-tape-reveals-momentum-plot-to-link-with-unite-seize-control-of-labour

Momentum is a separate body from the Labour Party.

It does however exist to support the Labour Movement, by trying to attract grass roots support.

It isn't remotely surprising that they are separate if you think about it as pre-Corbyn, Labour Party membership and grass roots support was a disaster.

Why? Because so many ordinary folk felt that Labour no longer represented them and as we heard so often were a watered down Tory party. People were reluctant to join what they saw as a political party that didn't represent them. It made absolute logical sense to do what momentum did.

As for attendance of far left wing representatives they are always present both in the Labour Party and Momentum. Just as the hard right are always present in the Tory party and their satilite supporting entities.

Momentum exclude all these groups from committees that make policy decisions.

There is nothing unique in this phenomena - look at the bodies that exist to support the Tories - the list is as long as your arm. But make no mistake they exist, from people like Banks and his cronies to many other wealthy hard fighters.

The difference is that they have vast wealth and momentum grass roots are ordinary folk.

If labour supporters why not attend the Labour Party conference not hold a seperate one?

Are Labour Party conferences open to anyone to attend? I assumed that they were attended by delegates chosen by the local branches, in the same way that union conferences are.

If I'm right then I can understand that Momentum might organise their own conference for members who weren't chosen as delegates to the LP conference. Whether having a fringe group conference at the same time and in the same place as the main party conference is a 'normal' sort of thing to do I have no idea, but don't the party conferences always attract fringe groups who are seeking to lobby for their ideas? I seem to recall the presence of groups like the SWP at the Unison conferences I attended many years ago.

X posted with whitewave

Momentum is the bully boy element that has always been in the Labour party made legal.

Lovely to quote noble words from what it says it does but the papers are fully of stories of good Labour MPs with recent large majorities being threatened with deselection by Momentum or groups closely associated with them.

True MOnica, but the far left will defend the far left

What evidence do you have monica because without it your post is nothing but hot air I am afraid.

annie your tautology is meaningless

Monica, you talk of 'good' Labour MPs. Some of these at least were placed in the constituency by the Labour Party, specifically the Blairite tendency, rather than being selected locally by the constituency party itself. This is the way it has often been done for safe seats, and is also the way the Tory party works.
If the local party wants a more representative candidate, it is their right to do so.

And these lists may interest you (watch break)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisations_associated_with_the_Conservative_Party_(UK)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisations_associated_with_the_British_Labour_Party

Also M0nica, you can always believe what the papers say, no?

Here's another interesting site showing where all the parties were decided to be just before the election.

www.politicalcompass.org/uk2017

On the top left is a link to the questionnaire that will determine where you stand on the graph. I would be very interested to find out where some of the posters here are. :-)

How about the woman MP, whose name escapes me, who has a majority of 33,000(as of recent election and faces a threat to replace her because Momentum or associates oppose her views on several subjects.

If I do not get information from newspapers, radio etc, exactly where do I get information from? Fox News? Canary? GN members with strong political opinions? other political commentators with strong biases? At least with newspapers I read papers from across the political spectrum. The news may be slanted but they all generally agree on the facts.

If anyone knows of an entirely unbiased source of news that is absolutely checkable (and its unbiasedness must also be checkable (how?), please let me know because I do not.

If a constituency is happy with their Labour MP - and have shown so by voting for her massively what does it matter when she was chosen and how she was chosen. We are talking here about the replacement of a Labour MP in post, not filling a vacancy.

If you are right I must accept that you think all Labour voters are sheep that would vote for a donkey if its rump was red enough and that is insulting to the elecetorate not just in her constituency but countrywide.

I'm left/libertarian, about in the middle of the square.

But I could have done with a 'neither agree or disagree' option on responses and one or two of the statements were incomprehensible.

monica from your sources, are you able to tell me how Momentum will de-dale t any member. And how that squares exactly with their constitution?

De-select

Difficult, take information from newspapers, news broadcasts or links to voxpox

I hsve put a link on from the Guardian, we have msny links posted here from the guardian, no comment on the article on Momrntum posted this morning?

I was not implying that no info should be gained from papers, merely that it should be regarded with some scepticism (whatever paper) and not swallowed wholesale.

ww it appears that you are trying to do a whitewash job on Momentum.
Momentum are 'ordinary folk' you say..... yes, right.
As Monica says they are the bully boys of the Labour Party.

presumably the MP with the massive majority was elected soley because she was the ONLY alternative to the consevatives in that constituency.It doesn't mean the ppeople WANTED her as their MP ,they just didn't want the alternative.However it may be she isn't a person they want and they should have the right to have an MP they have faith in ,not one foisted on them by the PLP

So rose prove that they are not ordinary folk as opposed the wealthy which is what I said.

Evidence of being bully boys please.

Tossing ridiculous statements into the arena with absolutely nothing to back it up is worth nothing in any debate, and will be overlooked as worse than useless.

Snort! ....