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whitewave Wed 26-Jul-17 15:41:39

Thought it might be worthwhile starting another thread. I haven't been keeping up with what's going on as there is do much happening everywhere!!
But what made me prick up my ears was an interview with Professor Lichtman who was talking about impeachment and treason.

He thinks that they are treading very close to Treason. Collusion with Russian will mean treason.

There is circumstantial proof of conclusion.

What interesting if unpleasant times we are living through.

Imperfect27 Thu 27-Jul-17 12:47:17

I watched Newsnight 2 nights ago and picked up on the possibility of impeachment for Treason, but my understanding was / is that a charge of Treason can only be brought if someone is deemed to be colluding with AN ENEMY of the state. Russia is considered an adversary, rather than an enemy. The devil may be in the detail here.

Many is the day when I think 'Surely this is the beginning of the end of his time in office', but impeachment would, apparently, take years.

Whether Trump is mentally ill or not, he really does not seem to be fit for office.

Very sad and worrying times. I think that under trump the USA is becoming a real danger to world 'peace.'

whitewave Thu 27-Jul-17 13:00:32

So how do spies get done for treason?

W11girl Thu 27-Jul-17 13:17:41

Why oh why are the states always one step ahead and 2 steps back! The transgender thing is as bad as US race relations in 1968 or indeed the murder of gay people in 1967.

We are so lucky that we have real democracy in this country.

I only hope Trump steers clear of the button when he's having a bad hair day!

JaneD3 Thu 27-Jul-17 14:21:47

Early in his presidency Trump removed the rights of transgender children in schools. They are no longer able to choose which toilets to use.

TriciaF Thu 27-Jul-17 14:45:37

Mary wrote:
"I doubt if either of them know the difference between transgender and transsexual."
I didn't know either - had to look it up. Still not much wiser.
I thought transgender meant those unfortunate people who were born with sexual features from both genders. Or is that bi-sexual?
And what's the difference between sex and gender?

Galen Thu 27-Jul-17 15:38:24

Bi sexual is a sexual preference for either sex. The word you need is hermaphrodite

Galen Thu 27-Jul-17 15:48:59

Gender is what's between your legs sex is what you do with it! Heard this am on wireless

Jinty44 Thu 27-Jul-17 16:02:07

I'm with tigger - I used to think Trump was self-centred and out-of-touch, as befits a man who runs his own company and surrounds himself with Yes Men. Now, with so many examples of bizarre behaviour, I do think he may have dementia or some form of mental illness.

Regardless of that though, ruling-via-Twitter is just plain wrong. He tweets something, the administration then has to run round like headless chickens trying to make it happen or downplay it or whatever.

TriciaF - transexual is the 'old' term, and it meant that the person had undergone genital surgery. Transgender is a waffly make-it-up-as-you-go-along term that can mean practically anything, according to the image I've appended.

"born with sexual features from both genders" - that would be intersex, conditions such as Klinefelter syndrome. Bisexual just means attracted to both men and women as sexual partners.

As for sex and gender - ni wonder we're all confused by it, they seem to be used interchangably. I blame all those forms where you're asked to indicate your gender, when what they mean is sex. Deliver me from prissyness grin!

Sex - male/female, biological
Gender - masculine/feminine, behavioural.

I always think of it as sex is internal, what I am; gender is external, how I am viewed and treated by the world.

Jinty44 Thu 27-Jul-17 16:04:02

Galen I think you need to flip that! 'Sex is between your legs, gender is between your ears' is the version I've seen.

Morgana Thu 27-Jul-17 16:56:56

I think sex is more about what 'bits' you've got and gender is more to do with the whole person femininity/masculinity etc. Re trump there was an interesting item on line I read yesterday -don't ask me for the reference cos I haven't a clue. Think it was a American newspaper. About his military life as a teenager. Interestingly he never seems to think about what these people he sacks will later reveal about him.

TriciaF Thu 27-Jul-17 17:42:40

re definition of "sex" - When working I gave a questionnaire to a teenage boy to fill in - as part of an assessment.
It started Name ....
DOB .......
Sex ....... He wrote "not yet" cheeky lad grin

Bluecat Thu 27-Jul-17 17:43:25

It amazes me that so many appalling things have happened since he took office and yet he's still in power. No-one seems to have the guts to challenge him, either inside or outside his party.

We're all old enough to remember politicians brought down- Watergate being the obvious example, but Profumo also springs to mind. And yet now we have people within the Republican Party, supposedly great patriots, cravenly making excuses for the President's family and closest supporters colluding with a foreign power.

Interesting times, indeed.

Jinty44 Thu 27-Jul-17 18:25:21

I wonder if it's to do with how unprecedented it all is Bluecat. After all, to get to where he is, he had to be elected. And before that, he had to be the candidate of a party (or a rich individual funding his own campaign).

Has a party ever fielded a non-politician before? Generally, candidates have been senators and governors before they ran for president. Any dodgy leanings would have been exposed whilst a senator/governor, and he wouldn't have got any further. But Trump bypassed all that. I still don't understand how the Republican party couldn't have foreseen at least some of these problems, or felt the need to check him out at least.

Hollycat Thu 27-Jul-17 18:43:46

I worked in a bank in the 60's in a poor part of north London. One day a black gentleman came in with a passport form which he had filled in and needed the Manager to sign. He had completed the sections for name, address, place of birth etc., but when faced with "sex" he wrote "Yes once in the West Indies"! We had that on the back office wall for years.grin

YankeeGran Thu 27-Jul-17 20:30:31

Jinty 44 - The Republicans knew very well what a nightmare Trump would be. No one, including Trump, thought he would win the nomination, let alone the election. The process whereby parties arrive at a nominee is very different in the US than it is here in the UK, and many Republicans were happy to distance themselves...until Trump won...whereupon, everyone jumped on the presidential bandwagon.

With a majority in both houses of Congress, the Republicans are in charge. It remains to be seen if they will run out of patience and turn on him. The pressure to do so will depend largely on what the voters back home are saying, and so far Trump supporters are still loyal.

I've always said that Trump won't last the full term, but despite all the evidence that he is ill-equipped to lead, there is still a very long way to go until he could be removed from office. The most likely scenarios would arise from the findings of the Russia investigations, but these are far from being concluded.

HannahLoisLuke Thu 27-Jul-17 22:56:28

I'm with radicalnan on this. The whole issue is a hornets nest and not just in the military.
The lavatory problem is just the tip of the iceberg.

maddy629 Fri 28-Jul-17 06:52:37

whitewave don't lump Mr Farage in with Trump and Le Penn, he is far more intelligent. Trump hates Barak Obama and is overturning all the good he did,I'm sure he is heading for impeachment and it can't come soon enough. Why anyone voted for him beggars belief.

Blinko Fri 28-Jul-17 07:06:44

Anyone see last evening's Mash Report on BBC2? At one point, there was a statistical chart showing that in fact the people who actually made a difference and got Trump elected were the rich whites who (presumably) voted out of self interest. So not overwhelmingly the poor and uneducated after all. Makes sense when you think about it.

sarahellenwhitney Fri 28-Jul-17 07:49:42

Whitewave.
Correction.ie feed off. NOT feed off of.

sarahellenwhitney Fri 28-Jul-17 08:02:31

Apparently Obama's 'measured tones and dignity' did not wash with those who put Trump in the White House.grin

Anya Fri 28-Jul-17 08:16:13

Total opposites I agree Sara Trump is the complete opposite of Obama, and not in a good way.

Jinty44 Fri 28-Jul-17 10:33:10

I loved this - scandal about Obama's behaviour - he chewed gum! grin

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTFiMe9Xaw

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 10:45:49

Farage , Trump and LePen as well as a number of others, are all following the same far right agenda. There is nothing to choose between them. Farage is a strong supporter of Trump

willa45 Fri 28-Jul-17 14:49:34

Update on Transgender issue: It appears that such mandates cannot be issued via twitter. The head military Commander issued a statement saying that this mandate has no hold and that for now all transgender personnel in the military will continue to serve and be treated with respect.

Whitewave: I agree that with so much going on in the world, keeping up is a tall order. Here in the US, the words 'treason','collusion' and 'impeachment' are being thrown around a lot these days. The problem is there is a lot of smoke coming out of this but nobody can find the fire.

In the meantime, the investigation is ongoing and the circus continues. No attempt on my part to downplay anything here but the most likely scenario is that they have plenty of leads to follow but nothing sufficiently incriminating to act upon, at least for now.

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 17:28:40

The pantomime continues. Scaramucci making good the running today. Good to hear from someone in the USA willa