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Paradise Papers

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grannyactivist Mon 06-Nov-17 00:18:37

Thanks to a leak of financial documents I think we shall see many chickens coming home to roost in the near future. One of the first to be held to account is Lord Ashcroft. His spokesman, Alan Kilkenny, said the peer had never engaged in tax evasion, abusive tax avoidance or tax avoidance using artificial structures, and “any suggestion or implication that he has will be vigorously challenged”.
However, if you or I (assuming that you are not a multi millionaire politician) dealt with our tax affairs in the same way as he seems to have done I suspect we might be investigated by HMRI.

jura2 Fri 10-Nov-17 17:54:01

My 'it doesn't work' was, just a typo correction (I mistakenly typed 'he' in the previous post) - of course it works- that was clear in my post, and it is so so simple.

Jalima1108 Fri 10-Nov-17 19:32:06

No, it's not a SIPP, and I can't be bothered to justify myself any more.
Not asking you to justify yourself djen, it is just that you keep telling the rest of us to check where our pensions (if any, of course) are invested.

I will ask the Government about my pittance. I may be surprised.

durhamjen Fri 10-Nov-17 20:00:20

I didn't realise that you were suggesting that the government invests our money in tax havens.
Are you really suggesting that, Jalima? How do you know?
Does the queen, of HMRC status, know?

durhamjen Fri 10-Nov-17 20:16:28

On the other hand, maybe she does and is proud of it.

www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/queen-cayman-islands/

durhamjen Fri 10-Nov-17 21:19:10

Anyone else find this funny?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41945982

durhamjen Fri 10-Nov-17 21:23:10

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41893764

sunseeker Fri 10-Nov-17 22:16:32

dj I think there is a misunderstanding. Most people pay into a private pension for years in order to receive a pension when they retire. These pensions are paid by the large insurance companies and most people would have no control, or even any idea, of where the money had been invested. I am pleased you have managed to invest your pension pot in ethical funds.

Jalima1108 Fri 10-Nov-17 22:19:00

durhamjen Fri 10-Nov-17 20:00:20

Very funny djen
I like your GSOH!

durhamjen Fri 10-Nov-17 23:02:34

Have you not heard of pension freedom, sunseeker?

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 09:35:27

"While it is legal to organise finances in this way, we must question the ethics of a system that makes the ultra-rich richer and leads to growing inequality around the world. This goes to the fundamental nature of how we believe society should function.

If we focus on the harm of tax avoidance to society, rather than how it is legally defined, then we can see that it contributes to growing inequality, increases tax burdens on resident taxpayers and undermines state legitimacy. Furthermore, the government’s accommodation of those structures that facilitate tax avoidance can also be misused by those looking to conceal criminal monies. For example, the UK has seen large investment from companies based in offshore tax havens into its property market, with suspicious wealth being used to buy high-end properties in London especially.

Tax avoidance not only shifts funds away from the public purse – which is even more pertinent in times of budgetary austerity and economic uncertainty (think Brexit) – but also undermines perceived social fairness. There is an improper transfer of money away from public goods.

Yet despite some political rhetoric outlining its deleterious effect, it is not being addressed with sufficient rigour. The UK – which has sovereignty over a number of the offshore states – has made a number of pledges to tackle tax avoidance – but this has not been followed by punitive, enforcement action.

A unitary tax regime – which treats a multinational business as a single entity in tax terms – may be one solution. But until there is a legal requirement for all avoidance schemes to be formally approved by the state before their use (rather than closed down after they are discovered), there will remain scope for tax entrepreneurs to avoid their liabilities."

From an article by a criminologist in The Conversation.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 10:30:08

theconversation.com/how-the-paradise-papers-reveal-the-tension-between-rock-stars-and-the-tax-man-86999

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 11:45:52

For anyone who wants to influence where their council invests their pension pot, if you have a council pension, you can start here to influence them.

gofossilfree.org/uk/fuellingthefire/

Assuming, of course, that you do not want your council to invest in fossil fuels and make climate change worse.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 12:00:36

theconversation.com/three-strategies-to-fight-the-tax-avoidance-revealed-by-the-paradise-papers-87002

Why would public disclosure of tax affairs be commercially sensitive? Unless, of course, the bog multinationals don't want the public to know that they are fiddling their taxes?

"The first strategy is to require the public disclosure of country by country reporting of company tax affairs (CbCR). This idea comes out of the OECD’s action plan on Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS). It would increase tax transparency by requiring corporations to make specific disclosures on the tax paid in different countries, by project and region. "

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 15:44:24

secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/paradise_papers_loc/?ckHcnjb

It now has 758,000+ signatures.

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 21:08:14

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/11/12/too-good-on-trumps-tax-plan-not-to-share/

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 21:12:19

821,000 signatures now.

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 21:17:20

If Brexit is all about taking back control of our finances, etc., why are all these Brexiteers sending all this money to tax havens.
Shouldn't they put their money where their mouths are?

www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/09/brexiters-put-money-offshore-tax-haven