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FarNorth Tue 22-May-18 21:22:29

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

Sometimes it’s hard to be a woman. Except in the Labour Party, when it’s surprisingly easy. Just ask David Lewis. David, 45, is a member of the Labour Party. After several years of supporting the party, he became a full member last year having been “inspired” by Jeremy Corbyn. Tomorrow, David will be a candidate for election as an office-holder in his Constituency Labour Party in Basingstoke. He is standing for election as women’s officer, a post that Labour rules say can only be held by a woman. David is standing for that post because he is a woman. On Wednesdays, at least. When we spoke yesterday, he put it like this:

“I self-identify as a woman on Wednesdays, between 6.50am when my alarm goes off and around midnight when I go to bed.”

What does self-identifying as a woman mean? In what way is David a woman on Wednesdays?

“My womanness is expressed by my saying ‘I self identify as a woman’ now and again on Wednesdays. I make no changes in my behaviour or my appearance. I keep my name, David and my male pronouns. I wear the same sort of clothes I wear the rest of the week. I keep my beard. I enjoy the full womanness of my beard.”

The Basingstoke Labour Party last week accepted the womanness of David and his beard. He is listed as a candidate for election as CLP Women’s Officer, a post that involves encouraging women to join the party and generally speaking for women, their concerns and their experiences. But who is a woman? In the Labour Party, among other places, the answer to that question is not always as simple as some people might expect.

Labour operates a policy of self-definition: if someone defines themselves as a woman, the party recognises that person as a woman, with no question, verification or scrutiny of that definition. This approach is intended to make the party inclusive and supportive of transwomen, people who were born male and later say they wish to change their gender and be recognised as female. Many advocates of greater legal rights for trans people say that accepting such self-identification is right and fair because “gatekeeping” checks, where trans people are required to “prove” their gender identity to another person or authority, are discriminatory and intrusive. “Transwomen are women,” they say, as if those three words are all that’s needs to settle this matter. More on this later.

The Labour approach on self-defining women also extends to the all-women shortlists used to select the party’s candidate in some parliamentary seats. Some Labour members have doubts about the policy of self-definition. Some are feminists who worry that a policy that allows male-born people (who might have enjoyed the social and economic advantages that are often associated with being male) to compete for and hold women-only posts is unfair to people who were born female (and thus prone to social and economic disadvantage.)

Some raise legal questions. Generally, equalities law doesn’t allow organisations such as Labour to reserve jobs or services for any particular group, but the Equality Act 2010 includes some exemptions for single-sex services, because Parliament wanted to ensure that women could be guaranteed that there are some roles and places where men cannot enter.

Some Labour members have sought to bring a legal challenge against the party for opening up women’s roles to “self-defined” women. They argue that where transwomen are not legally recognised as women (i.e. they do not hold a gender recognition certificate) they cannot be entitled to posts that the law reserves for women. Some women have resigned from Labour over this issue.

Labour’s NEC, meanwhile, has insisted that the policy of treating self-defined women as women will stand. Which brings us back to David Lewis, candidate to be Basingstoke Labour’s women’s officer:

“After I looked at the NEC position and what it really meant, I thought, I’ll put my name forward for women’s officer. After all, what’s the worst that could happen? I expected them to say, ‘don’t be silly’ and politely decline my application. But they didn’t. They accepted my candidacy as valid.”

So he’s standing for a woman’s post. Why?

“My priority here is to inform the CLP, and maybe some other people, about what this policy means, about what happens when you say that someone’s gender depends only on what they say and nothing else.”

How would David respond to those who might say he is being offensive or bigoted, that he is trivialising the issues that transgender women face?

“I’d say those people don’t have any right to criticise my gender-identity. If I say I am a woman on Wednesdays, then all they can do is accept that. After all, there are other people who only identify as women on some days of the week and not others, and they are accepted, not criticised.”

David adds:

“In any case, anyone else’s criticism or questions about my gender identity are just not relevant to the Labour Party at the moment, given the current policy. If I say I’m a woman, I’m a woman.”

Now, if you’re new to this topic, you may by this point have come to appreciate that yes, in today’s Labour Party, anyone can be a woman if they say they are a woman, even David with his beard and his complete lack of any outward effort to live or pass as a woman. And maybe you might think “Yes, well, that’s the loony lefty SJW Labour Party, and nothing to do with the rest of us who aren’t part of it.”

If so, you’d be wrong, because that policy of “self-identification” could become the law for everyone. The Government will shortly bring forward a consultation on amending the law on gender recognition, where some groups will argue that people should be able to define themselves as a woman or a man (and thus obtain the associated legal rights and entitlements) without external check or verification.

Some people think that’s a good idea, because they say the current system institutionalises unfairness to trans people. Some people have doubts, because they worry that such rules could be (ab)used to erode the legal status of women, opening up their roles, jobs and places (for instance, domestic violence shelters, all-women colleges, hospital wards) to people with male socialisation and anatomy.

Many (but not all) of the people who raise questions about self-identified gender rules are women, women who are struggling to make their voices heard in what passes for the public debate about gender, because those who speak out are at risk of abuse and accusations of transphobic bigotry. Or even being assaulted.

Which is why what David Lewis is doing strikes me as important and worthy of attention beyond the lovely town of Basingstoke. David Lewis is a man standing for a post that the rules say should be open only to women. He can do so purely because he has said the words “I am a woman” and rigid adherence to the orthodoxy of “transwomen are women” means no one can question his claim. And if anyone who says “I am a woman” must be treated as a woman and granted the status and rights of a woman, does the word “woman” still have any meaning? You do not, I submit, need to a radical feminist to see that the logic of complete self-identification raises some quite profound questions.

Although I worry he’ll get his share of abuse for it, I think David Lewis deserves praise for what he is doing. He is standing for a woman’s job to make a point about what can happen to women when rules that affect them and their rights are made and enforced on the basis of blind dogma, not balanced debate. “We need to be able to debate this, we need to be able to talk about this without being told we are transphobic and to shut up,” David says, before adding:

“I completely understand the problems that trans people face and I can see the case for reforming a system that some people find difficult and undignified. But I think we have to have a proper debate where both sides are heard and there are people who raising valid questions who are not being heard. In the end, we need to have a compromise. And a good compromise is one where both sides are equally unhappy.”

Does he think there is any chance he might actually win his election and end up being elected as women’s officer? “I am hoping that my local party will be sensible.”

Aepgirl Wed 23-May-18 09:32:36

Speechless. How long will it be before when a baby is born, the midwife says 'you have a lovely BABY' (it certainly won't be 'you have a beautiful baby girl / boy').

AlieOxon Wed 23-May-18 09:37:18

Leaving apart the problems mentioned, how can he understand any woman's issues and feelings from the inside, when he simply hasn't the experience of growing up as a woman?

Annewilko Wed 23-May-18 09:38:14

I'm so glad this has happened. I hope that Labour will see how utterly silly and unacceptable their self identification actually is. I have been a Labour voter and supporter all my adult life but if there is anything that will change my support it will be this issue.
Listen to the people on the ground, not those who shout the loudest but those who have years of experience, knowledge and the skills to actually achieve change.

AlieOxon Wed 23-May-18 09:44:20

There were good reasons that this position was intended for a woman in the first place - they should not be discarded for one eccentric!

Grampie Wed 23-May-18 09:45:19

Those Pangolins are cute though aren’t they?

...this is my response on exiting a mismatched public toilet.

Claiming to be a man, woman or in-betweener seems pointless.

Coco51 Wed 23-May-18 09:45:50

Oh dear! Frankly I don’t care what gender promotes the women’s position as long as the job is done faithfully, enthusiastically and without bias - if a LGM (Little Green Man) dropped out of Buzz Lightyear’s space module and did improve circumstances, there would be nothing to complain about would there?.
I wish to god people would stop going on about women’s this and women’s that and and just accept that we are all PEOPLE.

moxeyns Wed 23-May-18 09:47:00

Oh my. I need screen wipes... "I enjoy the full womanness of my beard" was the bit that did it.

lollee Wed 23-May-18 09:58:39

Well, I self identify as a cat on Sundays just so I can lie around and sleep all day and leave the family to it.

adaunas Wed 23-May-18 10:00:14

I could say a lot about this, having been involved in public debates, presentations and discussions on the topic. Instead I’m going to be flippant and mention occasions when I regularly wish to identify as a man:
-when joining a toilet queue, where men whizz in and out and women, girls and other children have to queue for the 3 cubicles deemed to be sufficient for at least half the population.

-when going out with scratty beard stubble because you can’t be bothered to shave is not commented on in the negative way applied to females who have facial hair problems.

-when I’m trying to make my voice heard at a bar/counter and the bar/counter staff seem only to be tuned in to men.

-when a man comes up with a stupid idea like “I’m a woman on Wednesdays” and gets publicity for it.

The rest of the time, I’m happily female, working on equality issues.

Conni7 Wed 23-May-18 10:02:35

Does he use the ladies' loos on Wednesdays?

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 10:03:12

AlieOxon, it's not just one eccentric.
Here is info on Lily Madigan (formerly known as Liam) who is now a Women's Officer for a constituency Labour party.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Madigan

All LM, and anyone else, needs to do is state "I am a woman" and that's it.

Overthehills Wed 23-May-18 10:05:05

Sorry if I’m being obtuse but isn’t the point of him standing to alert people to the lunacy of self ID? He doesn’t really “enjoy the full womanness” of his beard etc.

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 10:06:13

Conni7, yes of course transwomen use ladies' loos because transwomen are women.

Mamissimo Wed 23-May-18 10:06:22

My brain has run away with this glorious lunacy....if you follow the spirit of the proposition the Labour Party could claim to create gender equality by legislating for everyone to be men on Mondays, women on Tuesdays etc ad infinitum.

At a stroke:
Men could give birth on alternate days
There would be 100% gender equality in the workplace on alternate days - and 0% on the other days
We would only need one FA Cup, one Wimbledon Final...
There would be twice as many public toilets available to everyone
.....and A&E would be full on alternate days with men having periods. ?

Coconut Wed 23-May-18 10:08:48

I am very liberal minded, people should be who they want to be as long as they are not hurting anyone etc but the whole world has now gone stark raving mad .... and the lunatics are running the asylum !

lizzypopbottle Wed 23-May-18 10:11:41

I've realised that I often self-identify as a man. It happens when there are only two toilets and the one designated as for women is over subscribed but the one for men is unoccupied. I have never seen it in those terms before but now, if challenged, I know what to say!

David Lewis is challenging PC madness. Good work! Why have I only just heard of this? It ought to be front page news.

FarNorth Wed 23-May-18 10:16:30

The ManFriday campaign ought to be front page news too. It's where David Lewis got the idea.

manfridayuk.org

CardiffJaguar Wed 23-May-18 10:17:15

Day by day our world just gets madder and madder. The people who think up the rules and regulations need to have a rest in a secure, safe place which could allow their replacement by people who are sane.

starbird Wed 23-May-18 10:20:05

It should be possible to specify if a position requires a female not just to meet a quota but because the candidate needs to have the knowledge and experience of growing up as a girl and living as a woman from the start. No disrespect and plenty of sympathy for genuine trans, sex change etc but only life experience as a female can make a person suitable for say, a matron in a girl’s school or an advisor on women’s issues. The experience should be as much part of the qualification for the post as it is for other jobs - you would not employ a gardener who has only read books on the subject and never got their hands dirty.

Heather51 Wed 23-May-18 10:28:10

Petition signed. Thanks for the ‘heads up’ FarNorth.

POGS Wed 23-May-18 10:30:41

Well done David Lewis for doing 2 things.

Firstly the folly of the ease of which the 'Self Identifying' scenario is ridiculous in it's concept .

Secondly showing by the Labour Party suspending you it is proving that the Labour Party does not practice what it preaches . You either allow Self Identification as per your rules or you don't.. Who says you can ' Self Identify ' but only if we say you can? What is the point of ' Self Identifying ' if it is challenged, albeit for logical reasons.

The whole idea of 'Self Intification' is open to abuse and this case is classic evidence of that being so.

Sheilasue Wed 23-May-18 10:32:09

Long complicated read but good luck to the guy.
Found it hard to get my head round it though.

HannahLoisLuke Wed 23-May-18 10:35:13

Thanks for the link FarNorth. I've signed and shared it on FB

Conni7 Wed 23-May-18 10:42:10

But he's not a transwoman, FarNorth, he is a woman on Wednesdays - that's what he says!

Robertanthony Wed 23-May-18 10:42:47

I saw a report recently that a discussion was held in Saudi Arabia about womens rights and there was not one woman involved in the discussion