Given up on Brexit

Couldn't agree with them more. Multi national businesses are saying, they will leave and take their business elsewhere but this is poopood by the government. Why? Because they do not care about you or I their only focus is in how much money they will make to stash in their offshore bank accounts.

I am sick to death of hearing that the Brexit vote represents the "the will of the people". How can the 48% of those who voted against leaving the EU be totally ignored by rabid Brexiteers? And then, as Persistentdoner rightly points out, 28% did not vote. So the Brexit disaster has been forced on this country by an ill-judged referendum called by Cameron to appease (and hopefully silence by a remain vote) his party's anti-Europeans; this, of course badly back-fired after a grossly misleading campaign by leavers. Boris Johnson, an opportunist to the core, became its main poster boy and this despite only espousing the cause to promote his own ambition to be PM.
Stay and reform was this country's best way forward but that takes patience, persistence and so was rejected by those under the delusion that Britain is still a powerhouse that can stand alone in a global economy. Unfortunately they have dragged the rest of us (the majority) through the mire. Not the will of the people!

Everyone is looking to blame someone else, Brexiteers blame Remainers, Remainers blame Brexiteers, Everyone blames the government, The Government blames parliament etc etc etc. There is only one thing that we can be sure of, nobody knows the long term outcome of leaving the EU and we won't know until it happens. People who do well out of Brexit will say 'We told you it was a good thing' same as people who suffer will say ' We knew it would be bad'. Everything depends on your own point of view and I just wish everyone would just stop moaning about it and get on with it now.

I’m not a fan of David Cameron but his party manifesto promised a referendum so he had to honour it. There was however too much complacency and an assumption that the remainers would win. I don’t think anybody had thought far enough ahead to deal with a leave vote. The negotiations have been handled appallingly and we are now in a very tenuous situation which nobody seems able to handle, least of all the Labour Party.

John Cleese was on Newsnight last night saying he is fed up with the UK and leaving to live in Nevis, lucky him!

I don't agree that this country is on its knees.
Politicians and members of the establishment, the rich and connected, including Royalty, continue to thrive.
A different story for those of us in the lower classes though.

Whatever happens we need to be able to trade with Europe on reasonable terms ( but I will always buy British when it is an affordable option). Forget food trade with America (if only we could forget North America full stop) - it just doesn’t make economic or environmental sense to send goods half way round the world when that continent, stretching from north to south, can provide virtually anything for itself, as can Europe with a bit of help from Africa, with a few exceptions such as coffee.
Those who want speciality foods from further afield should be willing to pay a realistic surcharge.

Jura, just because it’s written in the newspaper doesn’t make it correct, it may be, but there again, it may not be.

It's surely odd to blame Remainers for wrecking May's attempt to arrive at a negotiating position, when it's the hard-line Brexiteers who have resigned and trashed it. And this is a caricature of Corbyn. It's the Tory party who rely heavily on donations from Russian oligarchs.

Oh Dear, Oh Dear.
I wasn't allowed to vote because I don't live in the Uk. Ok it doesn't affect me, yes it does, my pension. Moreover, younger people who will and are affected, were not allowed to vote either (16). It was a very sad that day in June 2016 and for weeks after everyone I met gave their condolences to me and I apologized to them. People here cannot understand that with such a low percentage of the population voting yes why it was carried through. How can people say they are tired of voting when riots were caused 100 years ago because they weren't allowed. I could carry on and on, it is so sad.

Why did nobody mention the problem of the border in Ireland before the vote? (Or did I miss it?). If only the true implications had been openly discussed in a rational manner the outcome may have been different. We were all treated like sheep and offered soundbites - mainly because those in power were so cocky as to think we would blindly vote as they wished.

Also of course, since the vote, and perhaps in part because of it, it is now obvious that other EU countries want big changes, and together we might now achieve the reforms that we tried and failed to get before deciding to leave. Perhaps the UK is the sacrificial lamb!

I actually admire Theresa, much more tenacious than any of the likely men, she may fail but will have tried her best.

Whatever the outcome Brexit will be bad with turmoil maybe for 10 years, the only good outcome is to abandon it and stay in the EU and that ain't going to happen. The sad part is that most people highlight immigration as the main reason for Brexit, yet there is no likely hood of any reduction of migration, we need them for NHS, care homes, Hotel, Restaurants and factories.

We will survive but don't expect any reduction in austerity, it will be tough even with a Corbyn spending spree when he gets elected ( Tories will meltdown for sure).

mokryna

Lol...hiw in EARTH can 16 yr olds who have never been in the world of work, have never budgeted, have no income, barely any education and still lie in their pits on social media till midday during school holidays, have any clue as to the ramifications of both leaving and remaining?
Fewer than 0.001% will understand the economics.

*How on earth

'This country is finished and on its knees.'
I would strongly disagree with this.
The Brexit negotiations are in a terrible mess, and I can't help thinking, now, that it has been Theresa May's intention all along, as a Remain voter, to achieve the nearest solution to Remain that she can. Hence all the delays and secrecy about her proposals.
Much of the trouble has come from the refusal of some Remain voters to accept the result of a democratic vote; close, but a clear majority. Some of those remainers are embedded deep within the cabinet and have been briefing furiously against any attempt at leaving. I would name the invisible Philip Hammond as one.

I agree with the man on the Clapham omnibus, actually the man on the steam train from Minehead on last night's news, who said that he had voted to Remain, but after being appalled at the bullying and refusal to negotiate coming from the EU for the past two years he now definitely wanted to leave.
How anyone can wish to be allied to an organisation, proved regularly to be venal, self-serving and dishonest, which has systematically treated us with contempt, is beyond my comprehension. This is what influenced my decision to vote Leave, plus the EU's complete indifference to the plight of the migrants attempting to enter Europe in the summer before the referendum.

16 year olds were permitted to vote in the Scottish referendum of 2014. People aged 16-18 are quite likely to be working or have work experience, some will already be at university and most importantly, it is their future that will be affected, much more than the future of us grannies.

The Brexit has been allowed to swamp and dominate EVERYTHING else for the last two years (perhaps to facilitate "Burying The Bad News?") and it's gone nowhere - certainly Mrs May is almost as useless at standing up to the Brussels Bullies than David Cameron was, and that's really saying something......

Plus, I truly believe she has cunningly used the fuss over Brexit to enable her to ignore the W.A.S.P.I. Women, the 1950's women who had 6 years of State Pension swiped by 1995 & 2011 pension reform legislation with very little (and in most cases) no notification of the changes apart from being informed that there was an article in the Financial Times sometime in 1995.

Well - b*gger me! It must have been that week when I didn't buy the FT......

(PS: Mrs May has insisted time and again that no woman will have to wait an extra six years for her pension but just 18 months. How does the woman have the nerve?)

I have said this before DO your research on he EU the you will find out the mess the EU are in and I am not going into detail .
couple of points though not once has the UK had any impact on EU policies .
the public was not given correct facts when the referendum took place just misleading and fear.the EU needs our money .do you research first get the facts before making comments .the evidence is there for all to see.
politicians whichever party always get it wrong.

Granny granby:
By golly that’s a good letter
How I agree but would not have put it all so succinctly as you have I’ve read it twice

I voted leave because I felt that the EU was crashing and burning and it was time to look to ourselves for a bit. I am not old (54) racist or blinkered. I feel our country is in dire straits and needs a good shake-up. The whining about leaving was almost comical in some people. It is as if we are actually building a physical wall and the poor little snowflakes won't be able to travel ever again! The fact is, a democratic vote was taken and we voted to leave. Those who didn't vote have no right to now be whinging and saying it didn't count because they didn't vote. This Government is a shambles, self serving and utterly useless. They have completely c*%#"d up the whole thing. Corbyn is a quiet thoughtful man with strong beliefs and morals. Socialism is not Communism. Russia is now even more capitalist than us. This Tory Government is incredibly self serving. I despair that so many can't see this and are completely blinkered by American style smear campaigns.

eazybee well said. I did vote to leave, nothing to do with immigration in my case. I do not want to be governed by an unelected body which can't produce audited accounts, if that had been a Company it would have been struck off by Companies House in the UK.

I don't want to be a part of a "Federal Europe" run by France & Germany.

I visited Brussels in 1988 on a College trip (Mature HND Business Studies student), we had a "talk" in the EU building, delivered by a Danish man, it was "France contributes this, Germany contributes that, Italy, Spain Portugal etc contribute whatever" , no mention of UK contribution at all, I knew then that if I ever got the chance to vote on whether to leave EU which way I would vote. EU has only ever wanted to "milk" the UK for it's monetary contribution. That decision has stayed with me for 30 years, I haven't changed my mind I just wish TM would get on with it & tell Barnier etc exactly how we want to leave without keeping European Court or EU regulations that affect food production here.

Bring back Maggie don tin hat & duck down behind the parapet

I don't think everyone on this thread understands what 'soft Brexit' really means which is control from the EU without any say in decisions. We would be better staying in the EU and influencing what happens than 'soft Brexiting'. And I speak as one who did not vote to Remain.

To be honest, I am so sickened by the mess TM has got us into that all I can hope for now is that we do not end up with Corbyn, tripled council tax, seizure of state assets and a bankrupt economy.

If the previous regime i.e. Cameron and Osborne was an example of how "it should be" then I would rather have Corbyn.

Lilyflower: "a bankrupt economy" will be the direct result of the Brexit mess Cameron brought upon this country.

The problems are not caused by remainers, but by the huge issues tied-up with leaving the EU. Also, the jibe at Corbyn coming from a privileged background, then ‘bleating on about the poor’. Heaven forfend that a person with a good life should care about the poor. I guess you feel that only the poor should care about the poor. I am what some people would call a member of the chattering classes, a Champagne Socialist. I grew up with very little. As an adult with two degrees and having retired from a relatively well paid job, should I not have compassion for those less fortunate? IMHO it’s views like that, that are damaging to society, not failing to back the multi-millionaire Prime Minister who presides over a huge rise in food banks in the fifth wealthiest country in the world, the ‘hostile environment’ for the Windrush people and the dismantling of the NHS (I know what I’m talking about, having recently retired from it).

It doesn't matter who was P.M. They were always going to have a hell of a job with this and this was always on the cards to happen. Put the responsibility for it where it belongs at the feet of "Call me Dave" who in his arrogance had no plan in in place for this eventuality. Called a vote and then did a runner.

If you think of a "normal" divorce this has been likened to, they aren't usually clean. How on earth anyone would think this would be easy to extract ourselves from Europe, I don't get. We are tied to Europe in everything and you can't untie that without a mess.

I have always said that there should be a second referendum on the terms of leaving. We got a yes or no to leave before. If We were good enough to be given that then the terms should be given back to the public too.