Brexit resignations

I imagine that LF is not alone in worrying about losing his seat. The Tories will be blamed whatever happens. My MP is sitting around being smug, saying he campaigned for Remain but will do what the people want. He may know what the people voted for at the time but I doubt he knows what they want now. I won't vote for him even if I have to write abstain on the paper.

In other words, his vote could well be reduced to 61x54 =33% of the electorate and he could lose his seat.

Sorry I meant only 61% of Tory voters voted leave. 39% of Tory voters voted Remain so he may only get their votes at the next election and could easily lose his seat.

Brexit supporting minister Liam Fox has issued a threat to MPs who do not support brexit that "voters will punish them at the next election".

He should take note that in his constituency he only won his seat because 54% of voters voted Tory, Yet we know that 61% of Tory voters voted Remain.

So he could , if the brexit nonsense is not stopped, lose more than one third of his votes and be booted out at the next election.

the only way we drop out on March 29th is for MPs to vote for “no deal”.

I'm afraid, Davidhs that unless May's 'deal' is passed, or we get an extension to A50, or A50 is revoked, we drop out automatically on 29th March. MPs don't have to vote for no deal. It'll just happen, because A50 is a legal instrument and the two years will be finished.

The EU27 have been amazing in their tolerance of this brexit nonsense.

You try resigning from the golf club then going to the committee saying "I want to negotiate my leaving. I want to keep all the benefits of membership but I'm not going to pay my sub."

Just come back and let us know how that went!

David seems to me the EU are being remarkably calm and reasonable. They hold all the cards, I knew that before the referendum, all the guff we were sold about great deals and being better off was never going to happen. Shame TM, JC & co can't see the obvious. They are all hoping for some sort of fudge they can claim is a victory.

Populist Fantasies are probably the best description of no deal Brexit supporters I’ve seen. Fantasies because their wish for a better Britain outside the EU is a pipe dream, however leaving with no deal on 29 th March is highly unlikely.
TM has proved remarkably bulletproof, 8 weeks in politics is a very long time and a deal that a majority of MPs will vote for may well be found. If not an extension to Brexit will be sought and granted, the only way we drop out on March 29th is for MPs to vote for “no deal”.
The EU dont seem to be bothered about an extension but then why would they, they are saying the agreement stands we are not moving, sort it out yourselves and they can do just that.

And still Mrs May will not remove her blinkers....did we ever have such a pig-headed, stubborn Prime Minister..(yes, Tony Blair).

Thank you Maizie- did you watch Andrew Marr- hardly a Brexiter- saying that WTO rules would mean an 8%+ loss of revenue for the UK. That is massive. Surely Jeremy Corbyn should realise that his well deserving projects for the NHS, social services, education and more - will just not be able to happen.

Thanks for the Washington Post link, Maizie

Ooops! not NYT...

NotToo such an optimist, I admire that, hope over experience!

I think they should ALL resign and we should have a general election with a brand new set of prospective MPs. We might then get one or two with some common sense. Or perhaps not.......

Thanks for the Washington Post link, Maizie

If only the people who still "believe" in brexit would read it. (believe being the operative word, for they've been persuaded to disregard all the facts). It concludes-

"The country is now on the verge of disaster. On March 29, unless something is done, Britain will fall out the European Union without a deal. That will affect every aspect of the economy. It’s likely to block cargo at the border; pulverize agricultural exports; trigger shortages of food, medicine and radioactive isotopes; spark employment chaos by suddenly canceling the mutual recognition of qualifications between British and European institutions; halt the legal basis for data transfer overnight; and lead to massive and sudden flows of immigration in both directions. The list goes on and on. There is no part of society that is unaffected. And yet not only does the British political class not seem to understand the consequences of what it is doing, it is lost in populist fantasies instead of addressing the cold reality.

Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country. "

You're welcome, jura, and edit as much as you like.

The Ian Dunt quote comes from an article he wrote for the NY Times:

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-collective-madness-behind-britains-latest-brexit-plan/2019/01/31/48d4d67e-2578-11e9-81fd-b7b05d5bed90_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e7c4ed3da58

for first paragraph, I would add 'and what the consequences would be'.

This- thanks Maizie. So well put, may I share please- anonymously?

The problem with Leavers, as is being continually pointed out, is that they knew what they wanted but they didn't have a clue (apart from the odd honourable exception) how to achieve it.

Experts in fields such as EU law, EU negotiating and world trade, kept telling us that leaving was achievable but that it would be a very long an difficult process which had to be well thought out and carefully considered at every step.

But experts. Hey, who needs them, they're all bl**dy Remainers aren't they?

So May, who, I'm convinced was actually a Leaver who couldn't wait to do away with FOM and Human Rights and only campaigned for Remain because she thought that would be the winning side, sent in the Brexit Bucaneers who thought it was all going to be dead easy and got a rude awakening.

So now, in the words of Ian Dunt:

Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country.

Urmston I'm not convinced Brexit is being thwarted, I think what was promised was always going to be undeliverable whoever was fronting the negotiations. I feel sure that specialist senior civil servants are doing all the work with senior people in the EU. It would be the same people whoever was making all the noise, all done in the back rooms. It must take far more expertise than any of our politicians have. At least I hope so, I wouldn't want a bunch of them taking my appendix out!

Don’t you think some might have resigned because they are frustrated that Brexit is being thwarted - hence they are disappointed that ‘the Brexit we promised is not being delivered’?
Why on earth isn’t Theresa May taking the two crack negotiators with her that were proposed instead of Olly Robbins and bluddy David Lidington?
Brexit is being negotiated by Remainers. It’s like the Hokey Cokey .... half in and half out which pleases nobody!

You may be right eazybee but I still think that Boris and friends had to resign because they couldn't deliver what they promised. I do hope some of them have a conscience though.

I would say most of the resignations are a matter of conscience; some MPs do care about keeping their word.

But they haven't resigned their seats, just their roles.

Presumably most of them resigned because they couldn't get all they promised the electorate so needed to be separate so they could blame someone else.

"I cannot reconcile the terms of the proposed deal with the promises we made to the country in our manifesto at the last election,"

and

"the Brexit that is being delivered today could not be further from what was promised".

And yet there are still people who believe that voting 'Leave' would give them what was promised.

Can they just all resign and go collect their beloved Universal credit ..well its fair benefit isn't it?