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Brexit resignations

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Nonnie Tue 29-Jan-19 17:08:08

I hadn't realised there were quite so many.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/facebook-posts-made-public/

Gareth Johnson, government whip

An MP in charge of getting colleagues to vote for the PM's Brexit deal quit himself to vote against it on the eve of the poll.
Gareth Johnson stood down from the whips' office calling the agreement "detrimental to the nation's interests".

30 November 2018Sam Gyimah, universities and science minister

The universities minister resigned in protest over Mrs May's Brexit deal while she was in Argentina at the G20 summit.
Sam Gyimah, who campaigned for Remain but represents a Leave constituency, is campaigning for another referendum.
15 November 2018 10:22amSuella Braverman, junior Brexit secretary

A wave of ministerial resignations after a draft deal was reached with Brussels ended with the loss of Brexit minister Suella Braverman.
The Fareham MP quit saying the Northern Ireland backstop "is not Brexit" and it threatens to "break up our precious union", which she said "could have been avoided".
15 November 2018, 10amEsther McVey, work and pensions secretary

Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey became the second cabinet minister to quit that day, calling the draft Brexit agreement "a risk I cannot be party to".
One of the most vocal opponents of the deal, Ms McVey reportedly had a massive "bust-up" with Mrs May during the five-hour meeting in which the cabinet agreed to the draft text.
15 November 2018, 8:50amDominic Raab, Brexit secretary

Dominic Raab became the first secretary of state to resign after the draft deal was reached with Brussels, saying he could not in "good conscience" support it.
"I cannot reconcile the terms of the proposed deal with the promises we made to the country in our manifesto at the last election," the outgoing Brexit secretary wrote in a letter to Mrs May.
15 November 2018, 7:20amShailesh Vara, Northern Ireland minister

Earlier that morning, the first minister left the government over the draft deal.
Shailesh Vara quit the Northern Ireland office saying the agreement "left the UK in a halfway house with no time limit on when we will finally be a sovereign nation".
10 November 2018Jo Johnson, transport minister

Proving that Brexit can divide families just as much as the rest of politics, Jo Johnson, brother of Brexit campaigner Boris Johnson, quit as a transport minister.
He warned the UK was "barrelling towards an incoherent" divorce and called for another referendum on the final terms of Brexit.
16 July 2018Guto Bebb, defence minister

Guto Bebb resigned as a defence minister in a surprise move ahead of a vote in the House of Commons.
He quit the government to vote against an amendment tabled by Leave-backer Jacob Rees-Mogg, complaining that "the Brexit that is being delivered today could not be further from what was promised".
9 July 2018Boris Johnson, foreign secretary

One of the biggest figures of the Brexit campaign, Boris Johnson quit as foreign secretary over the Chequers proposal.
A closely watched figure in Westminster because of rumours of a leadership challenge, the former mayor of London said the Brexit dream was "dying"under Mrs May.
8 July 2018Steve Baker, Brexit minister

Brexit minister Steve Baker quit just after the adoption of the Chequers proposals - Mrs May's plan for a future relationship with the EU.
"I cannot support this policy with the sincerity and resolve which will be necessary," he wrote.
8 JulyDavid Davis, Brexit secretary

Earlier in the day, the minister who led the UK's Brexit strategy from the beginning stood down over Chequers.
David Davis said he feared the UK's "negotiating approach" would only result in "further demands for concessions" from the EU.

Other resignations
More senior Conservatives have quit as aides to ministers over Brexit.
Those who resigned as parliamentary private secretaries to speak out about the progress of Britain leaving the EU are: Anne-Marie Trevelyan, Ranil Jayawardena, Will Quince, Scott Mann, Robert Courts, Andrea Jenkyns, Chris Green and Conor Burns.
Several vice-chairs of the Conservative party have also stood down over Brexit, including Ben Bradley, Maria Caulfield and Rehman Chishti.

paddyann Tue 29-Jan-19 17:24:54

Can they just all resign and go collect their beloved Universal credit ..well its fair benefit isn't it?

Nonnie Tue 29-Jan-19 17:33:54

But they haven't resigned their seats, just their roles.

Presumably most of them resigned because they couldn't get all they promised the electorate so needed to be separate so they could blame someone else.

"I cannot reconcile the terms of the proposed deal with the promises we made to the country in our manifesto at the last election,"

and

"the Brexit that is being delivered today could not be further from what was promised".

And yet there are still people who believe that voting 'Leave' would give them what was promised.

eazybee Tue 29-Jan-19 18:14:50

I would say most of the resignations are a matter of conscience; some MPs do care about keeping their word.

Nonnie Wed 30-Jan-19 10:35:57

You may be right eazybee but I still think that Boris and friends had to resign because they couldn't deliver what they promised. I do hope some of them have a conscience though.

Urmstongran Sat 02-Feb-19 08:49:13

Don’t you think some might have resigned because they are frustrated that Brexit is being thwarted - hence they are disappointed that ‘the Brexit we promised is not being delivered’?
Why on earth isn’t Theresa May taking the two crack negotiators with her that were proposed instead of Olly Robbins and bluddy David Lidington?
Brexit is being negotiated by Remainers. It’s like the Hokey Cokey .... half in and half out which pleases nobody!

Nonnie Sat 02-Feb-19 10:40:19

Urmston I'm not convinced Brexit is being thwarted, I think what was promised was always going to be undeliverable whoever was fronting the negotiations. I feel sure that specialist senior civil servants are doing all the work with senior people in the EU. It would be the same people whoever was making all the noise, all done in the back rooms. It must take far more expertise than any of our politicians have. At least I hope so, I wouldn't want a bunch of them taking my appendix out!

MaizieD Sat 02-Feb-19 11:06:58

The problem with Leavers, as is being continually pointed out, is that they knew what they wanted but they didn't have a clue (apart from the odd honourable exception) how to achieve it.

Experts in fields such as EU law, EU negotiating and world trade, kept telling us that leaving was achievable but that it would be a very long an difficult process which had to be well thought out and carefully considered at every step.

But experts. Hey, who needs them, they're all bl**dy Remainers aren't they?

So May, who, I'm convinced was actually a Leaver who couldn't wait to do away with FOM and Human Rights and only campaigned for Remain because she thought that would be the winning side, sent in the Brexit Bucaneers who thought it was all going to be dead easy and got a rude awakening.

So now, in the words of Ian Dunt:

Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country.

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 11:10:15

This- thanks Maizie. So well put, may I share please- anonymously?

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 11:21:31

for first paragraph, I would add 'and what the consequences would be'.

MaizieD Sat 02-Feb-19 11:42:16

You're welcome, jura, and edit as much as you like.

The Ian Dunt quote comes from an article he wrote for the NY Times:

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-collective-madness-behind-britains-latest-brexit-plan/2019/01/31/48d4d67e-2578-11e9-81fd-b7b05d5bed90_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e7c4ed3da58

varian Sat 02-Feb-19 12:41:47

Thanks for the Washington Post link, Maizie

If only the people who still "believe" in brexit would read it. (believe being the operative word, for they've been persuaded to disregard all the facts). It concludes-

"The country is now on the verge of disaster. On March 29, unless something is done, Britain will fall out the European Union without a deal. That will affect every aspect of the economy. It’s likely to block cargo at the border; pulverize agricultural exports; trigger shortages of food, medicine and radioactive isotopes; spark employment chaos by suddenly canceling the mutual recognition of qualifications between British and European institutions; halt the legal basis for data transfer overnight; and lead to massive and sudden flows of immigration in both directions. The list goes on and on. There is no part of society that is unaffected. And yet not only does the British political class not seem to understand the consequences of what it is doing, it is lost in populist fantasies instead of addressing the cold reality.

Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country. "

NotTooOld Sat 02-Feb-19 12:48:16

I think they should ALL resign and we should have a general election with a brand new set of prospective MPs. We might then get one or two with some common sense. Or perhaps not....... wink

Nonnie Sat 02-Feb-19 13:08:09

NotToo such an optimist, I admire that, hope over experience! grin

MaizieD Sat 02-Feb-19 13:09:08

Thanks for the Washington Post link, Maizie

Ooops! blush not NYT...

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 13:33:20

Thank you Maizie- did you watch Andrew Marr- hardly a Brexiter- saying that WTO rules would mean an 8%+ loss of revenue for the UK. That is massive. Surely Jeremy Corbyn should realise that his well deserving projects for the NHS, social services, education and more - will just not be able to happen.

RosieLeah Sat 02-Feb-19 13:33:31

And still Mrs May will not remove her blinkers....did we ever have such a pig-headed, stubborn Prime Minister..(yes, Tony Blair).

Davidhs Sat 02-Feb-19 16:21:44

Populist Fantasies are probably the best description of no deal Brexit supporters I’ve seen. Fantasies because their wish for a better Britain outside the EU is a pipe dream, however leaving with no deal on 29 th March is highly unlikely.
TM has proved remarkably bulletproof, 8 weeks in politics is a very long time and a deal that a majority of MPs will vote for may well be found. If not an extension to Brexit will be sought and granted, the only way we drop out on March 29th is for MPs to vote for “no deal”.
The EU dont seem to be bothered about an extension but then why would they, they are saying the agreement stands we are not moving, sort it out yourselves and they can do just that.

Nonnie Sat 02-Feb-19 16:28:54

David seems to me the EU are being remarkably calm and reasonable. They hold all the cards, I knew that before the referendum, all the guff we were sold about great deals and being better off was never going to happen. Shame TM, JC & co can't see the obvious. They are all hoping for some sort of fudge they can claim is a victory.

varian Sat 02-Feb-19 18:55:27

The EU27 have been amazing in their tolerance of this brexit nonsense.

You try resigning from the golf club then going to the committee saying "I want to negotiate my leaving. I want to keep all the benefits of membership but I'm not going to pay my sub."

Just come back and let us know how that went!

MaizieD Sat 02-Feb-19 19:20:17

the only way we drop out on March 29th is for MPs to vote for “no deal”.

I'm afraid, Davidhs that unless May's 'deal' is passed, or we get an extension to A50, or A50 is revoked, we drop out automatically on 29th March. MPs don't have to vote for no deal. It'll just happen, because A50 is a legal instrument and the two years will be finished.

varian Sat 02-Feb-19 19:40:06

Brexit supporting minister Liam Fox has issued a threat to MPs who do not support brexit that "voters will punish them at the next election".

He should take note that in his constituency he only won his seat because 54% of voters voted Tory, Yet we know that 61% of Tory voters voted Remain.

So he could , if the brexit nonsense is not stopped, lose more than one third of his votes and be booted out at the next election.

varian Sat 02-Feb-19 19:41:47

Sorry I meant only 61% of Tory voters voted leave. 39% of Tory voters voted Remain so he may only get their votes at the next election and could easily lose his seat.

varian Sat 02-Feb-19 19:43:30

In other words, his vote could well be reduced to 61x54 =33% of the electorate and he could lose his seat.

Nonnie Sun 03-Feb-19 10:33:20

I imagine that LF is not alone in worrying about losing his seat. The Tories will be blamed whatever happens. My MP is sitting around being smug, saying he campaigned for Remain but will do what the people want. He may know what the people voted for at the time but I doubt he knows what they want now. I won't vote for him even if I have to write abstain on the paper.