Put it to the people march - are you going?

Not me.
I’m just happy it’s March now and we’ll be out of the E.U. very soon.
❤️ ??

Are you not planning to join the Farage march?

It's hardly a 'march', varian, so much as a series of short toddles interspersed with long bus rides...

We asked if Nigel Farage will walk entire Sunderland to London Brexit 'March to Leave' route

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/brexit-march-farage-route-leave-15911145

The North-east press seems unimpressed.

... and booze at Wetherspoons at every spot of course

'excersise' - OH replied 'they need exorcising' !?!

Trust, she says- so they our most senior politicians lied massive lies, used dodgy money, relied on fraud, illegal targetting and foreign interference - without any preparations, any considerations of consequences on the poorest in the UK - and they talk about 't r u s t' ?!?

I would love to be there and normally would have been..but am 'hors de combat' at the moment. Wave a banner for me ? I will be there in spirit.

Same for me- I really really wanted to be there this time - but I just can't as my duty lies elsewhere at the moment - I will be there in spirit for sure x and on some banners hopefully

Lemongrove what a smug attitude.
Accept that the country is very divided .
Decent British attitudes would suggest "victors" to be magnanimous rather than gloating.

Thought we had the referendum to decide what the people wanted and people voted and we had a result. If we have another one and it comes out differently will we then need another and another. Where will it end. And end of democracy for this country. No hope at all then. But what do I know I’m just an ordinary OAP.

you only have to turn up to vote NOT do the negotiations,notanan whats so hard to cope with about that? Voting SHOULD be compulsory too many are happy to moan about the outcome of elections yet dont bother to mark their x on Election day .

Its not "the end of democracy". A referendum is not the same as other types of votes, referendums gauge public opinion at a given time to guide , not dictate to, the government.

I dont want another referendum, but another referendum would NOT be undemocratic. They are just big opinion poles, not like the kinds of votes you do for elections. And opinions change.

Yes referendums do gauge public opinion and the opinion of the Brexit one showed that the voters wanted to leave st that time. We could go on forever having referendums and another one and another one. Where does it stop? Why bother having one if the answer is not to your taste we then just have another one? Why ask in that referendum for the voters opinions if it’s totally going to be ignored?

I said before that I dont want another referendum

The point remains that having more than one referendum on the same issue is NOT "un-democratic".

You might not like the idea of another referendum. I don't.

But it would not be unprecedented for a democratic country to have multiple votes on the same issue as times change or new issues/information come to light (as IS the case with brexit). There IS scope for referendums to be used this way WITHIN a democracy. It does not spell the end of democracy.

So go ahead make your arguement against another vote, but make your argument valid. "End of democracy"/"anti-democratic" is just plain inaccurate.

I would welcome any other more valid arguments against it because I hope to god we don't have to go through it all over again.

So will those of you not marching on 23rd- will you go on Farage's pub crawl instead ;)

Thebeeb - no one wants a 'second referendum' what so many of us want is a vote on the current situation, now we know what Mrs May's Deal is, what No Deal means ... an INFORMED vote, without the lies and the fraud- and with eyes opened. Democracy in action, for sure.

Is it a case of either/or jura?
Surely not!

I agree with jura2,

Cameron got it wrong in trying to please the Tory right by having the referendum in the first place, exacerbated by not having a minimum % vote in favour e.g. 75%; then we were told a pack of lies, and May's got it wrong now.

We have been made fools of in their attempts to avoid the Tory party falling apart. Between them they have divided the nation and the Tories are still falling apart.

In response to the OP, I'm sure there will be marches in two cities not far from me so I will be at one or the other.

How is a referendum, based on limited or incorrect information on the impact of the decision EITHER WAY, democratic?
If Parliament wanted passthe----buck to ask the people they should have put a clear & costed proposal on the table after having negotiated a potential deal.
The referendum was like asking if you would like to win the lottery or not without giving the cost of the ticket, the odds or the prize money!

Absolutely right PECS, and Brexiteers have been treated just as badly as those who wished to remain. Just because they got the result they wanted doesn't mean they weren't deceived.

We have all been treated very badly by a government presenting an over-simplistic attitude to an extremely complex disentanglement of a very long relationship.

They should ask us NOW whether we approve of the deal they've struck cobbled together.

There was nothing democratic about the first referendum; nor will there be if another is held.

Both will have been held for all the wrong reasons.

I agree. Any peoples vote should be to guide the democratically ( under current system) elected representatives of the people (MPs) to make a decision. If that had been how the first referendum was set up we would not be in the current debacle!

The first referendum was illegal on many counts. The money spent by the Leave campaign, proved to have been against the rules; the exclusion of all EU citizens living and working here and all the British working and living in the EU from the vote, and the illegal use of Cambridge Analytica data to directly target vulnerable people. Also, it was non-binding.
I want a proper referendum with the facts as to the outcomes of various scenarios. Including Remain. And that is why I will be there on the 23rd.

(I do wonder how the size of the march will have any effect at all on the Tories, who don't give a damn about the people as long as they can get their businesses and fortunes safely offshore.)

You think then, that it will be as ineffective as the march against the Iraq war then Yggdrasil.
As MIL used to say 'he is going to do what he's going to do.' Or she.