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Has Anyone Changed Their Mind?

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Dinahmo Tue 25-Jun-19 14:01:29

Despite all the views put forward by both Remainers and Leavers it seems to me that the opinions on both sides are decidedly entrenched. Earlier in the year I listened a lot to James O'Brien who often had Leavers on his programme who regretted their decision.

Remainers are often quoted as wishing that the politicians would get on with it, (whatever that is) and this is often interpreted as a change of heart. I personally don't think that is the case. However, i would like to know whether there are any on here, from either camp, who have changed their mind, and if so, why.

Happiyogi Tue 25-Jun-19 16:15:58

But don't worry, our passports are to be made in France. This will save us money, lose jobs in Gateshead and clearly signal to the world that we're "taking back control". Because there's no limit to the nonsense we'll inflict on ourselves in the name of Brexit.

jura2 Tue 25-Jun-19 16:17:53

I do not want the UK to be a galley slave on a ship steered by unelected bureaucrats in Geneva WTO, Trump, Putin - and anyone we have to go and beg for a deal...

The UK alread had huge concessions and rebates, including being allowed not to be in Schengen and keep Sterling.

annep1 Tue 25-Jun-19 16:20:45

I voted leave but now wànt to remain. More information on impact of leaving and I live in N Ireland.

JenniferEccles Tue 25-Jun-19 16:26:55

I voted to leave and have not changed my mind in the past 3 years, and if anything I am more convinced that it is the right decision.

I just hope that Johnson, if he does get elected, will stick by what he said and keep 'leave with no deal' on the table, at the very least as a bargaining tool.

I am so sick and tired of all the nastiness, lies and scaremongering from the Remain camp that I don't believe a word they say anymore.

I certainly don't fall for all that nonsense that to leave with no deal would be catastrophic for us.

Callistemon Tue 25-Jun-19 16:29:28

Happiyogi the Mail on Sunday supported Remain.
The Daily Mail supported leave.

I voted remain but those I know who voted leave have not changed their minds at all.

libra10 Tue 25-Jun-19 16:30:18

I voted to leave, and would do again if forced into another referendum.

Callistemon Tue 25-Jun-19 16:32:41

Happyiyogi:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/19/mail-on-sunday-backs-remain-as-major-papers-declare-sides-in-eu-referendum

aggie Tue 25-Jun-19 16:40:56

I voted Remain and couldn't believe the result of the referendum , I still cling to the hope of remain , leaving will destroy Northern Ireland

Urmstongran Tue 25-Jun-19 16:47:56

! Happyyogi
(A) you didn’t include the DUP voters
and
(B) Labour isn’t Remain

Day6 Tue 25-Jun-19 16:53:39

Florid language day6 ?galley slave?

Yep,it's a good analogy WW

We sit rowing in the bottom of the Brussels ship, providing much of the power (funds) which enables it to move, yet being kept in the dark at the same time. and having no say. Our masters make the decisions. We can rubber stamp them on a good day, maybe. Such is our position.

Taking the helm and steering our own course is what Leavers want.

Ahoy shipmates! grin

eazybee Tue 25-Jun-19 17:04:38

I voted Leave and have not changed my mind. I would have accepted the result had we voted to Remain, and am sickened and increasingly disgusted by the actions of a small but powerful group of Remainers, mainly MPs and many of them Conservative, destabilising the Government and doing everything they can to overturn a democratic vote.

Sara65 Tue 25-Jun-19 17:32:37

eazybee

I am in the opposite camp to you, but I agree with everything you say.

I too am disgusted, I will never vote conservative again

grannyticktock Tue 25-Jun-19 17:36:47

I don't think you'll get a representative sample of switchers by asking here. It isn't easy to admit you got it wrong, particularly if you voted to Leave and now realise you're responsible for the mess we're now in. People who feel embarrassed or ashamed of how they voted are not likely to want to put their hands up here, whereas those who have not changed their minds will be happy to say so.

For what it's worth, I voted to Remain and am far more convinced now than I ever was that leaving will be a disaster for our country. I can't imagine that the developments of the last three years will have persuaded any Remainers that leaving is a better option.

Happiyogi Tue 25-Jun-19 17:41:11

Urmstongran, I didn't write the article. As I said in my first line, it is from today's Guardian.

Callistemon, the MoS was edited in 2016 by Geordie Greig who was a remain sympathiser. He has been replaced by Ted Verity who is a fan of B Johnson.

Calendargirl Tue 25-Jun-19 17:45:23

I voted leave, would vote exactly the same again. The fact that we are in such a mess is the fault of the politicians who have not carried out the result, and have made us look absolutely hopeless in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Cherrytree59 Tue 25-Jun-19 17:45:58

Would vote same.

But sooo fed up with the stalemate, just want something to happen.

Everyday seems like Groundhog Day!

Now into the 4th year...

Callistemon Tue 25-Jun-19 17:46:53

I didn't realise it had changed Happiyogi, I knew it supported remain in 2016.

GillT57 Tue 25-Jun-19 17:58:50

Eazybee your comment about a small group of MPs, mainly Tory, destabilising government could just as easily be applied to the ERG group who are determined to achieve their aim at any cost to the country.
I would not change my remain vote, I am even more convinced that I voted the right way as the events of the previous three years have unfolded. I was not an ardent EU fan, but calculated that, on balance, we were better off trying to make changes from inside than from outside. I regret the divisions that this ill considered referendum has brought to the surface.

Jane10 Tue 25-Jun-19 18:20:33

I voted remain but I'm not sure what I'd vote again. It's all such a shambles. I reckon though, on balance, in time, we'd most likely be OK if we left - because we'd have to be! Business wouldn't sit on their hands bemoaning the situation, they'd get going and make the situation work. New opportunities would be found/made.
Blimey. I sound like a leaver now. I'm just stuck in the middle. Like the UK!

Welshwife Tue 25-Jun-19 19:07:19

I am a convinced remainder and will continue to be so.
I suggest those who think Cameron received nothing from Brussels when he went to ask for concessions should actually google it and you will see what he did gain. I think it was nine things he asked for and he had concessions on each of them - no joining the Euro - no joining any army should there be one - not that a European army is on the cards - it is just an agreement to work together and pool their individual skills if it should become necessary. Just look it up!
The import and export taxes are the things which are likely to scupper the U.K. - if we give any country within the WTO zero tariffs as is proposed then these same tariffs have to be given to every country.
The countries in the WTO all need to agree to the U.K. joining and so far that does not look as if it is a cut and dried decision with all agreeing - several have indicated they are unwilling to agree.
Only time will tell if this has been a wise decision or the worst one the U.K. has ever made - I only hope for the sake of our children and grandchildren it is the former - unfortunately for me my gut instinct says it is not.

jura2 Wed 26-Jun-19 13:16:20

This, indeed, thanks.

We will be ruled by WTO, Trump and any country we will have to beg for deals- be it Russia, China, etc. And will have to adopt their rules and very poor safety, welfare, environmental, etc, standards. Surely everyone can see that now?

GabriellaG54 Wed 26-Jun-19 13:34:07

No, but I'm a bit sick of it all.
Out, then the mess can be sorted and we can forget the B word.
As it is, IMV, it's posturing, arrogant argumentative, men (mainly) who have never grown up.
All words and no actions.
Gawd knows how their wives/ husbands/partners put up with them.

GabriellaG54 Wed 26-Jun-19 13:37:20

...and actually I'm not soley thinking of my AC GC and GGC. I'm thinking of me too.
I count, for as long as I live and breathe.

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 13:38:20

a bit sick of it all that is very restrained!
I think we're all very sick of it all.

WadesNan Wed 26-Jun-19 13:40:46

A YouGov survey conducted for The Times have found that 57% of people would now vote leave (an increase from the 52% who voted leave in the referendum).