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Can they have it both ways - BMA

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Pantglas1 Wed 26-Jun-19 10:41:48

It’s been reported that doctors have voted to not charge people from abroad who don’t qualify for free NHS treatment in our hospitals. Is that fair when they complain about underfunding?

lemongrove Sun 30-Jun-19 21:29:02

16.51.21 Bakingmad yes, absolutely, it shouldn't be beyond us as a country to collect monies owed to the NHS.

suziewoozie Sun 30-Jun-19 22:15:30

Lemongrove I think the problem is the disparity between different trusts in collecting money owed. I really can’t understand why that is - there doesn’t seem to be any overall check on what’s happening across the board. I’d guess it must be top down attitudes as to the importance attached to collecting the money.

suziewoozie Sun 30-Jun-19 22:24:19

There seems to be two aspects to this - collecting the money from individuals who should pay ( non EU visitors ) and secondly invoicing other EU countries for their citizens
( when tourists) health care costs. The first step to this is actually identifying people in both groups. If that doesn’t happen, the whole thing falls - back to ID cards.

Callistemon Sun 30-Jun-19 22:58:49

Rosina - we don’t offer health care to everyone
But that is what the BMA proposes; its leader, Dr Jackie Appleby states that it is 'fundamentally racist' for the NHS to charge overseas visitors for treatment.

suziewoozie Sun 30-Jun-19 23:48:03

The BMA decision was just a conference motion - there is absolutely no way that this will,chsnge Government policy. If anything it has brought the problem to the fore again and the Government and NHS England should be ramping up their efforts to tackle the issues more effectively. The BMA is a trade union - trade union conference motions are not going to chsnge Government policy are they? No matter what the trade union says. I still think some of this as about the bad blood between the BMA and the DH

sodapop Mon 01-Jul-19 08:57:21

In France we have our Carte Vitale which we have to produce at all medical appointments. This is proof of the care we are entitled to. It has been suggested that in future this card also provides the EHIC element so that we can get free care in participating countries.
The UK would do well to have a similar card but it would mean a complete overhaul of the system which no Government wants to take on.

jura2 Tue 02-Jul-19 11:01:43

In France, you also have to have identity cards and provide such when required (used to be until not long ago, that everyone had to carry one with them at all times, and produce to police, etc, on demand).

sodapop Tue 02-Jul-19 12:35:26

That has not been the case for quite a few years now. Jura2

newnanny Thu 04-Jul-19 12:29:19

@GrumpyGran8 but international students do have to pay fees up front just EU citizens who do not. They are the ones who sometimes borrow from our government and then go home without paying. What I am saying is that all students should get loans from their own country. That way if they do not repay it does not affect us.

newnanny Thu 04-Jul-19 12:32:31

Sodapop I agree such a card would solve a lot our of problems and should be implemented into law. In UK problem is that medics treat all people whether UK citizens or not.