Post Brexit food

Its all going to be marvellous. There will be food and water. It won’t be the end of the world. Gloating is such a good look but doesn’t last.

Or next week.

Let's just see what happens this week.

Keep dreaming Varian?

Let's just hope that there never is any post brexit.

Post brexit nonsense, when we all realise that we have fortunately emerged from a very bad dream, we will hopefully be grateful for what we have.

I expect we’ll all starve post Brexit.?

Did you just see that pig flying past?

So many remainers saying that if it all goes t*ts up, leavers can "own their own mess and get on with it". So I assume the opposite applies - i.e. when we are better off outside the EU, our economy is growing and the sky hasn't fallen down, then remainers can all p*ss off and will not share in the extra wealth and services that leaving will provide.

A shop in Germany stripped the shelves of every non German product a couple of years ago. I'd like to see it done here so we can visualise what we're in for.

I just can't be bothered .

POGS surely the point of this is that the push for no deal is partly fuelled by the expectation that we'll have a trade deal with the US - but since that would mean no backstop, Nancy Pelosi is saying that no such trade deal would get through congress; is that not right?

It depends how badly the UK wants a trade agreement with the US.

Varian

Thank you for replying but I fail to see how the USA refusing to do business with the UK will save the Good Friday Agreement?

Pressed on whether there would be shortages of fresh food in a no-deal Brexit scenario, Mr Gove said: "Everyone will have the food they need."

He added: "No, there will be no shortages of fresh food."

When asked if food prices would increase, Mr Gove replied: "I think that there are a number of economic factors in play.

"Some prices may go up. Other prices will come down."

He said that freedom of movement will end "as we understand it", but added that the EU Settlement Scheme was "working well".

But trade association the BRC (British Retail Consortium) said Mr Gove's claims on potential fresh food shortages were "categorically untrue".

"The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border," a statement said.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49541942

More than two million EU citizens living here have not received "settled status" so it is a lie to say the EU settlement scheme is "working well".

Just two of the many lies told by Gove on this morning's Andrew Marr show. These Leave Liars have become utterly shameless.

The Belfast Good Friday Agreement is an international treaty of which the UK is a signatory. It means there is no visible border on the island of Ireland. If the UK including NI was to leave the EU, and the single market and customs union, whilst the ROI was still in the EU, a border on the island of Ireland would be inevitable, unless there was a border in the Irish sea, separating NI from GB.

This is why the promises of the brexiters are undeliverable. Theresa May's ludicrous red lines promised we would leave the single market and customs union, whilst having no border on the island, and no border in the Irish Sea as NI is part of the UK and still have frictionless trade. These promises can never be kept as they are mutually exclusive - incompatable.

To the US Democrats and the large influential Irish lobby in the US, the Good Friday Agreement is sacrosanct and it is right that Nancy Pelosi should remind Boris Johnson of that. Breaking the GFA would have very serious consequences, the worst being a resumption of violence and NI leaving the UK, but it could also make future trade agreements with the US unachievable and we should take that warning seriously.

Right now, we should be concerned about the effect of the weather on our food. All this rain is affecting the harvests. Last year, it was very dry, which caused a shortage of hay...which will have pushed up the cost of caring for animals. This year has been very wet in Britain but unseasonably hot in Europe. It's bound to have an effect on food production.

Varian

"Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be no chance of a US-UK trade agreement passing the Congress. The peace of the Good Friday Agreement is treasured by the American people and will be fiercely defended on a bicameral and bipartisan basis in the United States Congress."
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How do you think the USA refusing to do business with the UK will save the Good Friday Agreement?

I just see the US Congress threatening the UK.

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said there is "no chance" of a US-UK trade deal passing through Congress if Brexit puts the Good Friday agreement at risk.

The comments come after John Bolton, US national security adviser, said the UK would be "front of the queue" for new trade deals.

Ms Pelosi said: "The Good Friday Agreement serves as the bedrock of peace in Northern Ireland and as a beacon of hope for the entire world.

"After centuries of conflict and bloodshed, the world has witnessed a miracle of reconciliation and progress made possible because of this transformative accord.

Whatever form it takes, Brexit cannot be allowed to imperil the Good Friday Agreement, including the seamless border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland, especially now, as the first generation born into the hope of Good Friday 21 years ago comes into adulthood. We cannot go back.

If Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be no chance of a US-UK trade agreement passing the Congress. The peace of the Good Friday Agreement is treasured by the American people and will be fiercely defended on a bicameral and bipartisan basis in the United States Congress."

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nancy-pelosi-no-chance-of-postbrexit-trade-deal-if-ni-peace-at-risk-a4213431.html

M Puisseseau means 'piss in bucket' - irrelevant I know. But as we have a Dick Brain ... well for balance's sake

Ah! I know who M Puissesseau is now. A couple of days ago I posted a video of a select committee on Brexit arrangements. It was over two hours, so I reckoned few people would watch it, but I did (because I'm a saddo). M Puissesseau's claim was taken apart by the experts on the panel. These were people who really did know what hey were talking about. They pointed out that M Puissesseau has no powers to override the law.

Urmstongran '“C’est la bulls**t”," head of the French channel ports, Jean-Marc Puissesseau, on the idea of traffic grinding to a halt: “Nothing is going to happen the day after Brexit… Britain will be a third country, that’s all, and there is no reason why this should lead to any problems. If both sides do their homework, traffic will be completely fluid”.'

I am sorry- we are trying to remain polite- but you used the term first- so I'll repeat 'oui, c'est de la merde de taureau' 100%- M Puissesseau is not going to be the one who decides- he will be sitting in his office and watch from afar.

We are not ready on the UK side, never mind ready for the chaos t'other side. If the French farmers, hauliers and Customs Officers, and many more - decide to block UK hauliers and others- M Puissesseau will be totally unable to do anything.

But first of all, lorries and cars will have to be able to reach Dover and the Chunnel or Ports. You don't quite get this Brexit thing, do you?

As said, food maybe the least of our worries- as yes, we can adapt and tighten belt, to a large extent.

But medicines and medical supplies are another lettle of fish. the idea that it could all be airlifted is just ridiculous. Here is a message to Jason Hunter, someone who has been a senior international trade negotiator- from someone in the business:

'I got a message earlier in my inbox from a chap that works for a medical supply company. In order not to get him into trouble and at his request I'm changing a couple of points here.

Hi.
I work for a global company that has a number of manufacturing sites in the U.K. We import our raw material from the EU and it has a four to five month delivery period after we have ordered from our supplier.

The question is how will/can our company place an order in November if we don’t know how much it will cost? We won't know what the import tariffs will be for delivery in April onwards. Will the supplier have to decline the order until they know the costs of delivery and insurance etc? How it will be shipped to us? How long will it sit in Calais and Dover? Will it be held up on motorways? Do we need to order in September for April Delivery? Once we know what’s happening wuth Brexit then we need to add on Brexit delays and apply the usual four to five month lead time. Stunned faces from management. The product that we make also takes two to three months to produce in the UK after we receive our raw materials.

And then we are a supplier to other companies who also process our product for another 3-6 months. who will have the same questions for us about 2019 deliveries.

Therefore is the UK going to be short of life saving products for eight months or more? '

These people are NOT scare mongering- they are in the business, have been for a long time and have tons of experience- and they are clearly and acutely aware of the real problems ahead.

One thing people seem to be forgetting are the European farmers who supply much of our food, especially the "Mediterranean" variety such as aubergines and peppers etc. It's possible that they might start to reduce the amount they grow if they think that their produce might not reach England in a fit state. A lot comes from southern Spain where North African migrant workers are used so it's not big deal for the farmers to lay off workers if they decide to cut back.

Back in March I heard a man on James O'Brien's programme who was responsible for the supply chain of fruit and veg for one of the large supermarket chains. He explained that March was the worst time because the supply of home grown produce was virtually finished and the new season's crops would not be ready so we had to import most of our fruit and veg. There should be a reasonable supply of fresh food available in November but how much damage has been caused by the extreme weather conditions that we've been having?

“C’est la bulls**t”," head of the French channel ports, Jean-Marc Puissesseau, on the idea of traffic grinding to a halt: “Nothing is going to happen the day after Brexit… Britain will be a third country, that’s all, and there is no reason why this should lead to any problems. If both sides do their homework, traffic will be completely fluid”.

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No one would ever suggest that all those who voted leave in 2016 made a stupid decision, they believed what they'd been told by the leave liars, but since then we have learned many things -

- that the referendĺum was narrowĺy won by fraud, lies, cheating and foreign interference

- any kind of brexit would damage our country by reducing our standing in the world, wrecking our economy and endangering our security for generations to come.

So it would indeed be the height of stupidity for anyone who was aware of these facts to continue to "believe" in the nonsense that is brexit.