Is the UK Union now at risk.

SirChenjin I too foresee Ireland unifying fairly soon but it won’t come without a lot of fuss from the unionists. Not having a border suits north and south nicely and I’m sure the moderate majority will prevail.

'fuss' - wow

I’m not sure that referring to the decades of bombings, torture, kidnapping, murders, and bitter divisions within communities and families as a ‘fuss’ is helpful David

Hey! What's a couple of bomb attacks, a few murders, tarring and feathering, etc? Just a bit of fuss! Pull yourself together, jura!

Snap, SirChenjin.

Not a Scouser then, Pantglas? It's a derogatory term, so I'll leave you to Google it.

PS. It's sometimes spelled "woolyback" with one "l".

The nearest polite term is probably "peasant".

and it is still so close in time. Our sil will be 50 this year. We were walking along the road with DD1 and GCs- and a car backfired- and he threw himself on the ground and was clearly shaken. He has family on both sides of the divide, and as lost family and friends from both sides so you'd better not talk about a 'bit of fuss' to him, for sure

If it comes to a unification the Unionists will campaign against it but the moderates will prevail I’m sure. Past atrocities certainly haven’t stopped peaceful coexistence for the last 40 yrs with an open border.

Peaceful coexistence? Can you explain what you mean by that?

I would be sad to see Scotland leave the UK, but it would, of course, be up to them. I don't feel it is the most worrying thing about a no deal Brexit. I think they will go for independence sooner or later anyway.

The thought of a no deal Brexit is terrifying for other reasons. Like the economy. And relations with the rest of Europe.

Northern Ireland is a different matter. We can't allow all that bloodshed be for nothing.

No the Northern Irish will not give up being British just for an easy life and an open border.
I remember the bloodshed - the bombs not only in Ireland but in London also. It cannot all have been for nothing.
It is not as simple as you seem to believe David

The negative effects of no deal Brexit would be compounded if your main trading partners were to leave the U.K. and join/rejoin the EU though.

Think as we are better together in the EU, as we are better together in the U.K. However, if Brexit means the U.K. is going down the pan as looks likely, I don’t blame the Scots for wanting independence. I’ll think of living there myself if little Englanders like some on here get nasty towards anyone who don’t agree with them.

Day6 There are times, in my deepest heart of hearts, that i think Brexit would be a good idea so that all those who voted to leave get a good kicking. No doubt this will bring the wrath of many down on my head.

In all seriousness I do think that leaving would be disastrous for the UK but the Remainers who post on here are in the main reporting information that they have acquired from various sources. I also wonder why so much of it is ignored by the Leavers. Many Leavers support BJ despite the lies he told in the past, and the promises that he is now making. So many that a newsreader this morning said it was impossible to keep up with the figures. Leavers don't seem to be bothered by the two faced Cummings who berates the EU yet has taken the subsidies.

ach crystaltpps we've had decades ,centuries to get used to being told to sit down ,shut up and do what your told for WM and SOME English folk.I would like to see their reaction if huge sums of their money was heading to france to pay for Sewers and crossrail in the capital city or HS2 or any of the other things WE finance but have no need for and wont benefit from .England is a foreign country to us ,we'd rather be good neighbours and in charge of our own revenue and laws than have them forced on us by governments we haven't voted for who neither know anything about us or care .Apparently this is "whinging" David Well I for one an dmillions more will continue to whinge .

I identify as English as so far back in mid 17th century, that is what the bits of my family we can identify have been. I suspect we have Scots/Irish because of the gaps in census records in various branches of the family and I'd be happy with that.

I feel sadness as the thought of the break up of the UK. If a small country with Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English communities who share a long if sometimes turbulent history, can't stick together, that raises all manner of worries for me about international relations. Having said this, I understand Scotland, with its more recent referendum on independence and its vote to Remain, feeling irritated.
Davidhs's comments about Northern Ireland are just silly. The police lost control of a town a few days ago, the rise of Nationalism is a significant threat to peace, never mind Unionism.

I understand the worries that Brexit is dividing our country. I despair that the politicians seem totally unable to do anything to unite us.

England is a foreign country to us

‘Us’ and ‘we’ being who, exactly? Don’t purport to speak for all Scottish people - your brand of extreme nationalism is a complete turn off for the majority of Scottish people.

Hi Dinah. Just one thing about Boris Johnson. He has been PM for a matter of days really. And I hadn't really heard much of Cummings before Theresa May had left. So I don't think that either one of them has had much impact on Leavers.

Leavers are few and far between on these threads because they just get accused of being stupid, naive, gullible, selfish etc etc. I've been called a snowflake. I've also been told that nobody will take me seriously. Oh and a fool. And of course, racist, which if you could see me you'd see how absurd that is. But to be honest Leavers are just going to do what Tory voters do. And that's stay silent. Because they face quite a lot of vitriol!

I would also like to point out that there are Remainers on here who are polite and will put their points across without the need to hurl insults.

This could be why there aren't many contributors from the Brexit camp. I am not engaging as much as I did initially because it's like the Magic Roundabout without any magic. Everyone goes round and round saying the same thing.

We should try to just get on and see what happens. It's pointless being aggressive with each other. I remember in the 80s when people were convinced we'd get hit by a nuclear bomb. I had friends who were sure it was going to happen and got in a right old tizz. I'm sure that had we had Gransnet then it would have been filled with similar thread to these with those certain of impending doom against those more moderate.

And just as an aside, I don't think any of us know for sure that there will be a No Deal Brexit. It might never happen.

Minniemoo I have fingers, toes and anything else suitable crossed that Brexit won't happen.

It was Cummings who introduced the phrase "Take Back Control" that we heard so many times throughout the early stages of this debacle.

Whilst BJ has been in power for only a few days, those of us who maybe more politically inclined have followed his career with interest and I for one find his scampering around the country, pronouncing what he's going to do and how much money he's going to spend, totally amazing (and brazen)

A United U.K. ? When the leader of the official oposition visits
N.I. and says he supports a United Ireland and the shadow chancellor refers to The English Parliament

quizqueen, the £ and the BBC are both British, not English, and so the Welsh, the Northern Irish and the Scots are all entitled to them as much as you are.

There are times, in my deepest heart of hearts, that i think Brexit would be a good idea so that all those who voted to leave get a good kicking

All this based on predictions of what life will be like when we no longer have to pay billions of pounds every year to Brussels?

Seriously Dinahmo, you need some sort of schadenfreude experience, and will ill fortune to people who voted Leave?
I rest my case really.

As many commentators have noted, it's almost as if some Remainers want the UK to come crashing down, to fare badly, so they can say "Told you so".

The ire and bad will as they forecast the future as being awful - even though they cannot predict what may happen tomorrow or next week - is palpable. There seems to be no room for "solutions will be found".You want the UK to flounder and Leavers to get a good kicking - somehow. (I am not sure how that one works to be honest.) Hoping those who voted differently from you get a good kicking is spiteful in the extreme.

Apologies to Dragonfly - I should be careful to say some Remainers - when I am critical of posters here. I have many friends who voted Remain who do not foresee a myriad of insolvable problems if and when we break from the EU, nor do they wish those who voted to Leave any harm.

Leavers are few and far between on these threads because they just get accused of being stupid, naive, gullible, selfish etc etc. I've been called a snowflake. I've also been told that nobody will take me seriously. Oh and a fool. And of course, racist, which if you could see me you'd see how absurd that is. But to be honest Leavers are just going to do what Tory voters do. And that's stay silent. Because they face quite a lot of vitriol!

Cheers Minniemoo -worth repeating given my post above.

Leavers have to be on the receiving end of a good kicking now as well.

I shall bow out. Who needs it. Like you I know remainers who like most people know they cannot determine anything really and they accept the democratic vote and more than anything want the government to get on with it now, without interference from a remainer parliament doing their utmost to put spokes in any wheel which might move us forwards.

I feel Boris has made a very good impression so far and he has a diverse cabinet but made up of MPs who will work with him. It's promising, but comments like that on a thread such as this are like a red rag to a bull for those who seem to despise and hate so violently,

I look to a promising future, but I don't think that's allowed either, so really there is no point discussing anything Brexit related, because certainly on social media fora forums and indeed GN there is no middle ground and those who voted leave sensibly tend not to get involved - or poke the bear, so to speak.