Commuters Fight Back

Oh but I do get it. Of course ER have to come up with ideas. If you want something done differently you have to say how you want it done differently - for example a clutch full of nuclear bombs that blow up the whole planet would resolve the global warming crisis. Would they find this a suitable solution?

Currently ER are behaving like stroppy toddlers stamping their feet and shouting no and not knowing what they are objecting to or like babies throwing their toys out of the pram. Professional protesters, Rentamob and it seems even their supporters admit it!

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Oh M0nica you so don't get it do you it's not for them to have come up with a single suggestion how any of this can be achieved, it's for them to stamp their feet and make demands. Then when the citizen's assemblies are in place they will consult experts on how this can be achieved, and make their recommendations. Those experts that are keeping very, very quiet about the solutions so far. You'd think XR would be giving these experts a platform already, given we only have 5 years to do it all.

Butr they still haven't told us what they think we ought to do. Anybody can demonstrate about anything and demand something is done now without having a clue what or how or whether their demand is feasible.

They also ignore the fact that an awful lot has happened over the last 20 years. On a windy day over half our power comes from renewable sources. Many companies are carrying out research to try to find new ways of powering vehicles, ships and planes. Many others are looking at agricultural techniques to reduce emissions.

I am not suggesting enough is being done or being done fast enough but immense progress has been made. Look at the effect the plastic reduction campaign has had in raising an issue and then clearly doing something about it.

ER groupies enjoy pratting around but as far as I can see the campaign has done sweet FA to try to seriously and practically meet any of the aims it shouts about.

Peaceful protests and petitions fall on deaf ears and as far as climate change, time is not on our side.

I thought XR said they do "peaceful protest" except it's not very peaceful for the ordinary people they target every time. Two weeks of disruption pre Christmas should ensure plenty of lost wages, missed appointments etc maybe even some more retail failures as they rely on the Christmas boost. The MPs, you know the ones with the power to implement change, will be blissfully left alone yet again.

Women in the UK didn’t get the vote until 1918, over twenty years after New Zealand. In 1893 those women were the first to permanently vote and South Australian women in 1894.

Peaceful protests and petitions fall on deaf ears and as far as climate change, time is not on our side.

Yes, women would have had the vote earlier without the actions of the suffragetes through the persistence of the suffragists.
Women in New Zealand were given the franchise far earlier than those in the UK through their efforts which were nowhere near as extreme as those of the suffragettes.

Women would have had the vote if the suffragettes had not demonstrated. In fact they may have had uit earlier.

Most of the work towards womens votes was done by the suffragists, a non-violent negotiating group. They were on the verge of success when the suffragettes came on the scene and the government backed off because they did not want to seem to have given way to violence.

As always in these circumstances the suffragettes get all the halfpence and the suffragists all the kicks.

To say they should “go off to China” to demonstrate is totally ridiculous and childish to coin a phrase.
For a start - they aren’t Chinese they are British so why shouldn’t they protest here? How would you propose thousands of people could get to China? Do they have the money? Should they walk there?
With half our wildlife in decline since 1970, 84% of our rivers failing clean water standards, people dying of pollution in our cities - we have our work cut out here, better to campaign to stop buying plastic tat from China than just parrot simplistic phrases.

I have to agree with notreallyagran.. I said the same to a very good friend on Facebook when she was complaining about XR and she posted to keep recycling. I posted “women wouldn’t have the vote if the suffragettes hadn’t protested the way they did.”

I believe we have gone beyond saving the planet. In Australia since around the year 2000, each summer has been hotter and every year records are being broken. A few years ago where I live the highest temperature was 46C last summer it was 49C. I had never in my life experienced a 49C temperature and every summer we experience most days over 40C, that’s 104F. I can remember a ten day heat wave in 1982 because it didn’t happen very often.

Last summer fruit grown in this food growing region, was rotting from the inside from the intense heat. Crops, fruit and vegetables are a major livelihood of many people in this area. It’s often called the food bowl of Australia, 70% of Australia’s table grapes are grown here. Nectarines and peaches are imported overseas. People won’t be able to feed their families and pay their bills. People won’t find fruit and vegetables and other foods in their supermarkets, here and overseas.

People who live in cooler climates probably don’t notice as much as those living on the land. I am sure the UK politicians have not noticed much change in the climate yet. Maybe a few more hotter days, a few more floods and some severe storms. Nothing that is making any difference to their lives. A lot of Australian politicians, mostly those on the right don’t believe in climate change yet people still vote them in government.

I’m not sure if stopping trains and causing civil disobedience will work with the average person who isn’t making the big decisions. Governments are apathetic and are only concerned about getting elected. Instead I would like to see our politicians targeted. Their lives should be disrupted, organised protests so they can’t get into work. Petitions and media articles on how they vote on climate issues so everyone can see their lack of action. No votes for them if they are not doing everything they can to stop carbon emissions rising. It’s gone beyond climate change denial, it’s absolute neglect and stupidity by decisions of those in government..

When our generation and our DC’s generation are asked by the younger generations what we did to stop the climate rising. What will you tell them?

They are all having a jolly time with their self righteous japes
‘To save the planet’.. they should go off to India, China, the US and try their luck there.They wouldn’t find any friendly police though, and angry commuters would do more than pull them off trains.They don’t care that their wishes can’t be met, that they ask impossible things to happen in just a few years, because they are basically childish.

I hadn't heard that. Sigh.

They’ve stopped for now.

They have planned another 2 weeks of disruption in London right at pre-Christmas to cause maximum inconvenience - a spokesperson for ER said today ‘it is an opportunity too good to miss’.

I don't like crowd violence under any circumstances

Isn't preventing ordinary people going about their lawful business by glueing oneself to public transport a type of passive aggression?

Surely encouraging people to use public transport is the best way forward?
We can't all afford to use solar powered yachts or to travel by bicycle.

Flip me! You lot really are desperate for something to quarrel about aren't you?

In case you haven't noticed, they've stopped.

No-one is blaming ER for global warming but if they start demonstrating with a specific and very challenging target in mind then they need to let us know how they think this can be achieved without plungng many people into unemployment.

I could get all aerated and start a movement to ban sexual harassment throughout the world by December 31 2020, but unless I have some idea how this can be done, what is the point?

And Lilyflower, hope Boris Johnson gets dealt with as the criminal, lying so and so he is in the Scottish Court tomorrow...strange definition of a criminal you have Lilyflower

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Sorry that should have read your post.

Monica,
Found our post really silly.
It is not up to EX R to solve the entire planets policy issues with regard to the Climate Crisis.
There are many, many people working on that,
the U.N. other organisations. etc.
Don't shove the blame on Ex R. They are not responsible for the Climate Crisis on their own

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They are anarchists indulging in criminal acts and merely need to be dealt with as the criminals they are.

to put it mildly.

I have no idea what this "bovine creatures" thing is all about.

To me all cows are bloody terrifying. Hate the buggers. (sorry cow-cows. Like your milk though so you're not all bad )

jura2 My favourite bovine is the "Milka Cow" often found on the "nursery ski slopes".

Unfortunately much to our children's embarrassment I nearly up-ended one!!! ??????

Bovines are the same on both sides though - horns, bells, cute. Comté on one side, Gruyères on the other. Delish.

Jane10 ''Yup there's no escape from them no matter how far outside the EU they live. ''

lower, lower ...

453 metres actually.