CAREN Act To Stop Racially Motivated Police Calls Proposed By California Lawmaker

rosecarmel

I don't get what Illte is asking, can someone explain?

“Two nations, divided by a common language” ?

Seems clear enough to me.

Riverwalk

In the UK these pejorative connotations with names and 'witty' alliterations are coined and perpetuated by middle class comedians/journalists, e.g. Essex girls, Croydon facelift, Scousebrow, pram face, etc., and are directly aimed at working class women.

Insidious.

Well said Riverwalk and as such we should not be perpetuating these cheap jibes.

Oh well, I'm dumb.

I still dont understand.

MawB

Riverwalk I appreciate that (I hope) you are not spreading this awful thing about people called Karen.
I have only become aware of it in the last couple of weeks and am feeling totally victimised and persecuted.
I think it is cruel and wrong in every way.

I am astonished that a name is being villified in this way. I know some lovely Karens and to use a female name in this derogatory fashion is appalling.

It's an important issue, obviously, although not one I was aware of but they lose credibility when they do something like this, misusing and disparaging a whole swathe of women.

Like Sharon and Tracy, demeaning to anyone of that name but in this case it is far worse, it's vilification of thousands upon thousands of decent, kind women.

I know at least two Tracys as well, both highly educated women and we have a Sharon in the family who was so upset by the connotations that she changed her name.

I think there is plenty of classism on this site, racism too. Yet when some members feel their particular demographic is being targeted, suddenly, there is outrage.

Pity the same isn’t true of the support for people of colour and the working class. The word hypocrisy springs to mind.

I don't think I'm following this very well. Who are 'they'?

Older, white women. In the US legislation, particularly focused on the ones that ,are false accusations about black people.

As I said, it is an important issue, but is it endemic here in the UK? Have we had any reported cases?

The use of a woman's name to identify a group of people who are intent to cause such mischief is wrong. It detracts from the potential seriousness of what is happening and is nasty and discriminating in its own right.

Oops. Typos. *that make false

GagaJo

I think there is plenty of classism on this site, racism too. Yet when some members feel their particular demographic is being targeted, suddenly, there is outrage.

Pity the same isn’t true of the support for people of colour and the working class. The word hypocrisy springs to mind.

Are you saying I or anybody has been deficient in my support for the working class (whatever that is in the 21st century - aren’t we all working class these days?) or people of colour?

Callistemon

Like Sharon and Tracy, demeaning to anyone of that name but in this case it is far worse, it's vilification of thousands upon thousands of decent, kind women.

I know at least two Tracys as well, both highly educated women and we have a Sharon in the family who was so upset by the connotations that she changed her name.

I've learnt a lot from this thread. However, I don't think the videos I've seen of "Karens" depict "decent, kind women". Without exception, they've seemed ghastly.

These videos sometimes pop up on my Twitter feed. I watched a few because I was curious and then deleted them and blocked the senders. I don't even watch them now.

Riverwalk

In the UK these pejorative connotations with names and 'witty' alliterations are coined and perpetuated by middle class comedians/journalists, e.g. Essex girls, Croydon facelift, Scousebrow, pram face, etc., and are directly aimed at working class women.

Insidious.

To be fair, there's "Essex Man" as well. He's a cousin of "white van man".

There's quite a collection, male, female, whatever the case may be-

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen case-

growstuff I dare say these women are what you say, but why call them all Karen?

Why not pick a term which is not a woman's name?

Let's stand up for all the kind, decent, caring women called Karen in the world of whatever race, colour or creed they may be.

They should all stand together and demand that a different term be chosen for those other women.

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen

The awful woman in the Central Park case has been charged with making a false report, in addition to losing her job.

rosecarmel a law doesn't have to have a snappy name to be on the statute book.

“Harpy “ “gorgon”. “Medusa”??

That was to Callistemon

rosecarmel

There's quite a collection, male, female, whatever the case may be-

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen case-

Does everything on the Statute Book have to have a short snappy name?
Laws in the U.K. don’t - oh dear, am I stereotyping another nation again?

Riverwalk

^If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen^

The awful woman in the Central Park case has been charged with making a false report, in addition to losing her job.

rosecarmel a law doesn't have to have a snappy name to be on the statute book.

I asked for an alternative- ?

MawB

rosecarmel

There's quite a collection, male, female, whatever the case may be-

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen case-

Does everything on the Statute Book have to have a short snappy name?
Laws in the U.K. don’t - oh dear, am I stereotyping another nation again?

Snappy comebacks: Ok

Snappy Titled Laws: Not Ok

?

rosecarmel

Riverwalk

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen

The awful woman in the Central Park case has been charged with making a false report, in addition to losing her job.

rosecarmel a law doesn't have to have a snappy name to be on the statute book.

I asked for an alternative- ?

We have an offence called Wasting Police Time.

If the law really needs a name other than a descriptive, how about the Cooper law? Cooper is the name of both the (alleged) sinner and the sinned against.

MawB

rosecarmel

Riverwalk

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen

The awful woman in the Central Park case has been charged with making a false report, in addition to losing her job.

rosecarmel a law doesn't have to have a snappy name to be on the statute book.

I asked for an alternative- ?

We have an offence called Wasting Police Time.

Excellent! But not specific- It doesn't address the race related occurrence- I do agree that it doesn't need to be called Karen whatever- It's discriminatory- But it does need to be more specific than what you suggested-

rosecarmel

MawB

rosecarmel

Riverwalk

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen

The awful woman in the Central Park case has been charged with making a false report, in addition to losing her job.

rosecarmel a law doesn't have to have a snappy name to be on the statute book.

I asked for an alternative- ?

We have an offence called Wasting Police Time.

Excellent! But not specific- It doesn't address the race related occurrence- I do agree that it doesn't need to be called Karen whatever- It's discriminatory- But it does need to be more specific than what you suggested-

I suggest that is then up to your legislature.
(“Karen” is not exactly descriptive either.)
Surely wasting police time is the same whether the motivation is racially related, religion related or just what lawyers refer to as “vexatious”