Why did Starmer settle out of court Give a grovelling apology and pay out six figure sum?

Ha Ha yes I was too would be so convenient to have Christmas dinners delivered oh well cheers

I was hoping someone was offering Christmas Dinners Grany I'm very disappointed

That's funny Grandad1943 Gave us a laugh anyway ?

Yes trisher this new organisation Truth Defence is a good thing promoting honesty and integrity in public life. Yes we all need to know the truth in politics and media.

We are a collective of activists, lawyers, creatives, journalists, academics and citizens concerned about the spread of disinformation online, in traditional media, and in political advertising and campaigning.

We are seeking to raise funds with a view to launching various actions and projects aimed at resisting such injustices, strengthening the democratic accountability of media and political institutions, and promoting a culture of honesty and integrity in public life.

Apologies my above post was jokingly meant to be for our family WhatsApp group. ??

Deb we are expecting to be part of the over 50s Covid-19 lockdown within the next few weeks or even days. Therefore, could you plan to plate us up a Christmas Dinner and drop it over to us.

Christmas Eve would be OK for the delivery of the lunch as we could then warm it up in the microwave on Chrismas Day. ???

trisher

growstuff even Starmer admits it was just to draw a line under anti-semitism

You are perfectly correct in what Starmer has stated in regard to the payment trisher. However, the Parliamentary Labour party still has to face the forthcoming Race & Equality Commission report and the internal report on the leaked antisemitism documents.

It may well be that the high settlement and apologies he has given to the so-called "BBC Whistleblowers" will affect what little defence the Labour Party has in regard to the claims and prosecutions that will undoubtedly follow the release of those reports.

The above was exactly what Len McCluskey was referring to in his weekend interviews with the media when he stated, "It’s as though a huge sign has been put up outside the Labour party with ‘queue here for your writ and get your payment over there".

Never has more true words been spoken.

growstuff even Starmer admits it was just to draw a line under anti-semitism

trisher

Looking at Grany's original post the legal fund for JC which wanted to raise £20000 now stands at over £300,000. Carol Morgan who started the fund is also promoting a new organisation called Truth Defence www.truthdefence.org/blank. It is concerned about legal actions undertaken for political reasons. It says We are equally concerned by cases where civil litigation procedures and the principles of natural justice are apparently undermined for politically motivated purposes
So perhaps there is hope that some sort of justice can be found, because Starmer paying out all that money really has nothing to do with justice or truth.
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I think you would have to take that up with Starmer. I think maybe he has some idea of truth and justice.

Quite frankly Grandad I find you beyond parody.

Grandad1943

growstuff I have comprehensively answered your above posts. If you find difficulty in understanding the principles of elected representation can I suggest that you look up the structures of the many organisations that function under such principles?

In regard to the Unite Unions political Levy subscriptions by members, that funding is ring-fenced for exclusive political use as agreed and balloted on by the Unite Union Annual Delegate Conference.

Simple as that.

No, you have not answered my questions, which required simple yes/no answers. Once again, you have been patronising. I have understood what you have written, but I do wonder if you have the capacity to understand simple questions.

Looking at Grany's original post the legal fund for JC which wanted to raise £20000 now stands at over £300,000. Carol Morgan who started the fund is also promoting a new organisation called Truth Defence www.truthdefence.org/blank. It is concerned about legal actions undertaken for political reasons. It says We are equally concerned by cases where civil litigation procedures and the principles of natural justice are apparently undermined for politically motivated purposes
So perhaps there is hope that some sort of justice can be found, because Starmer paying out all that money really has nothing to do with justice or truth.
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growstuff I have comprehensively answered your above posts. If you find difficulty in understanding the principles of elected representation can I suggest that you look up the structures of the many organisations that function under such principles?

In regard to the Unite Unions political Levy subscriptions by members, that funding is ring-fenced for exclusive political use as agreed and balloted on by the Unite Union Annual Delegate Conference.

Simple as that.

Grandad1943

growstuff, in regard to your post @18:53 today, the entire membership of the Unite Union elect the Members of the National Executive Committee and all other committees within the Unite Structure.

The reason anyone elects persons to any body that affects their life is that those elected people can carry out decisions for those they have been elected to represent.

However, within Unite the Minutes of the National Executive are circulated to all its Reginal and District Committees for those members to examine and pass resolutions, motions or just comment on at their meetings.

Good democratic practise top to bottom. What a pity that Kier Starmer has not learned and put such into effect since he became Labour leader.

You still haven't answered my questions!

Were ordinary members aware of the payments to Skwawkbox, McCluskey or Lavery? Were they given an oppportunity to voice their opinions in a ballot?

If not, why should they have any say about money which has been given to the Labour Party? This smacks of gross hypocrisy.

As for union donations being behind election spending, how do you know that Labour Party funds were ring-fenced?

I don't think that Grandad was posting at the time this alleged bullying went on, Jabberwok. Neither was I when JC was first elected leader. In fact, I think that very few people who are now on this thread were posting at the time.

Jabberwok

Oh yes, my mistake! Perhaps I should have said 'people who were bullying and criticising her, ' I'll leave it to you to work out who those people were, I clearly can't name them as it would be considered a personal attack and be breaking GN rules!!!! Do you not agree that as people told Annie, those same people should now be accepting the new leader unconditionally even though the politics are now not to those people's taste, exactly as you expected her to do?!

That's OK jabberwok as obviously you are not including me in your "you" as I was not a member of this forum during the time period your original post referred too.

As for accepting Starmer as leader, that I have done. However, I and many others will not now accept the many exclusions and wrong practise he has engaged in since he took up that office.

Those unacceptable exclusions and practices I have already outlined in this thread.

Oh yes, my mistake! Perhaps I should have said 'people who were bullying and criticising her, ' I'll leave it to you to work out who those people were, I clearly can't name them as it would be considered a personal attack and be breaking GN rules!!!! Do you not agree that as people told Annie, those same people should now be accepting the new leader unconditionally even though the politics are now not to those people's taste, exactly as you expected her to do?!

growstuff, in regard to your post @18:53 today, the entire membership of the Unite Union elect the Members of the National Executive Committee and all other committees within the Unite Structure.

The reason anyone elects persons to any body that affects their life is that those elected people can carry out decisions for those they have been elected to represent.

However, within Unite the Minutes of the National Executive are circulated to all its Reginal and District Committees for those members to examine and pass resolutions, motions or just comment on at their meetings.

Good democratic practise top to bottom. What a pity that Kier Starmer has not learned and put such into effect since he became Labour leader.

Jabberwok

'you' Grandad?! I've re read my above post and I can't find that word!

Jabberwok, the last line of your post @18:03 reads "as you advocated and expected Annie to do?!!"

Grandad1943

growstuff all the expenditure of the Unite Union is examined by the elected lay member National Executive Committee at each of its scheduled quarterly meetings.

An offshoot that committee the elected again lay member led Finance and General Purposes Committee meets on a monthly basis at a minimum and vets all abnormal expenditure prior to it being spent.

You haven't answered my questions?

Were members consulted about both payments? Were they even aware they had been made?

If not, why should the payments to the so-called whistle blowers be any different?

'you' Grandad?! I've re read my above post and I can't find that word!

growstuff all the expenditure of the Unite Union is examined by the elected lay member National Executive Committee at each of its scheduled quarterly meetings.

An offshoot that committee the elected again lay member led Finance and General Purposes Committee meets on a monthly basis at a minimum and vets all abnormal expenditure prior to it being spent.

Were they consulted about the Skwawkbox payment?

Were Unite members consulted about the £417,000 loan made to McCluskey to buy a London flat?

It's all getting mixed up on this thread with everybody posting at once. ???