1% Payrise for NHS workers

The clapping cost nothing so it was really easy to do. Meant nothing in my view.

Are people on here truly trying to justify this derisory pay rise on the grounds that the nurses should be glad they've managed to keep their jobs during this pandemic?

Tory morality in action, ladies.

The issue that has annoyed me for many years now is that of agency nurses. To get better pay a lot of nurses work for agencies instead of the NHS. This costs the NHS a lot of money and lines the pockets of the agencies. Surely it would be cheaper to pay nurses more but less than you would pay the agency so benefitting all.

Also nurses do their training but are not guaranteed a job at the end of it.

There are, of course, many other workers in the NHS - porters, cleaners, admin staff, doctors, physiotherapists, paramedics etc not just nurses. When I worked for the NHS I applied for jobs outside and realised I was not badly paid by comparison. I had to pay into a pension scheme which was index linked and although I only had 12 years service it is a nice top up for my state pension. Same as teachers on index linked pensions.

Yes, Alegrias1 they really, really are. You are spot on.

It would be justified to give a much larger pay increase to NHS staff, if only we could give it to the staff who really have given their all during this current crisis, especially the ones working on Covid wards.
A rise across the board would reward lazy, uncaring staff, and we have all met them, who shouldn’t be in the job.
Two close friends have very recently been in hospital with broken limbs after falls.
Both have complained about nursing staff, I think we are talking HCA here although I don’t know.
With no visiting, no family are around to complain or see things for themselves.
Please don’t jump down my throat for these observations, there is good and bad in every profession and every walk of life and any hospital stay brings this home.
I just don’t agree with the blanket awe of all nursing staff.

I don’t think anybody should get a rise at the moment Private or Public sector.

Let’s wait six months and then assess the situation, see what’s happening with regards to Covid and the economy in general.

Well let’s give it to all public key workers then who have kept things running smoothly for all of us.

Bin men, paramedics, the police dealing with the covidiots, teachers in Early Years who have not been allowed to wear PPE in their classrooms as these are considered a ‘bubble’ (!) and the dentists who provided emergency treatments when there was no such thing as a vaccine and covid was a really scary thing.

I'm not a "Tory fan" seamstress and it seems rather childish to assume that only Tory fans would support this pay rise.

Is it enough? No, but in the current economic crisis and world wide pandemic it's better than nothing and as has already been said, they are the only public sector workers getting a pay rise.

Many in the private sector have been on a reduced income and many have lost their jobs.

I have worked in early years throughout the pandemic, obviously we are all amazing but myself and no one I know in early years would compare it to working in the NHS at this time.

Exactly Galaxy.

I agree seamstress,10% on MP`s wages is a wage in itself to some people,it`s a damn insult.

25Avalon

The issue that has annoyed me for many years now is that of agency nurses. To get better pay a lot of nurses work for agencies instead of the NHS. This costs the NHS a lot of money and lines the pockets of the agencies. Surely it would be cheaper to pay nurses more but less than you would pay the agency so benefitting all.

Also nurses do their training but are not guaranteed a job at the end of it.

There are, of course, many other workers in the NHS - porters, cleaners, admin staff, doctors, physiotherapists, paramedics etc not just nurses. When I worked for the NHS I applied for jobs outside and realised I was not badly paid by comparison. I had to pay into a pension scheme which was index linked and although I only had 12 years service it is a nice top up for my state pension. Same as teachers on index linked pensions.

Good points and well made.
My DIL is a nurse and considers herself well paid.She chooses now and then to do extra shifts ( but doesn’t ‘have to’).
There has been a huge rise in applications to become nurses, so hopefully agency nurses won’t be as much needed in the future ( it’s a sore point with all nursing staff as you point out
25Avalon.
Having said that, the 1/% rise was a political mistake in my view, as not only NHS but the wider public will see it as an insult.You would think that politicians would see that, but as
Politicians have been making political mistakes ( as opposed to any other kind) since Adam was a lad, I’m hardly surprised.

Well well.
It seems the ‘Unite’ Union is taking on the government over the ‘derisory 1%’ pay rise. They are demanding 12.5%. They are considering a ballot for strike action.
Fools.

‘Unison’ was my NHS Union. Much less militant.

Did the nurses work unpaid overtime the pandemic? No, didn't think so.

Yes reward them, I'd suggest a bonus, but a 12% pay rise is 12% every year forever.

I see that the price of the useless track and trace system being run by a Tory friend has risen to over £30bn now. Now that really is value for money, sod those battling to save our lives.

Oh don’t forget the £350000 pay off the save the Home Secretary.

Money so well spent.

One of the best value for money went to that chap who almost single handedly was responsible for the cracks in first lockdown. Goes under the name of Cummings - was awarded an extra £40000 a year for being such a clever liar.

Stop jumping on your hobby horse WWmk2. This thread is about the nurses in the NHS. There’s already a thread about Pritti Patel. If we’re not careful varian will be along in a moment to tell us all about ‘the fraudulent Brexit referendum’!
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Galaxy

I have worked in early years throughout the pandemic, obviously we are all amazing but myself and no one I know in early years would compare it to working in the NHS at this time.

Very fair comment.

Why couldn't there have just been a nice £1000 bonus for all NHS workers?

Urmstongran

Stop jumping on your hobby horse WWmk2. This thread is about the nurses in the NHS. There’s already a thread about Pritti Patel. If we’re not careful varian will be along in a moment to tell us all about ‘the fraudulent Brexit referendum’!
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I tink if you oppose the nurses pay award on economic grounds it's only ffair to look at what has happened to a lot of the money from Rishi's Magic Money Tree because one tings certain. The NHS ain't seen much of it!

I seem to have adopted an Irish accent for my posts sorry

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Oh I think the NHS has seen plenty of taxpayers money. It’s what they do with it all that annoys me.

Perhaps sort out leaner procurement - and give the saved money to the staff as a bonus when possible?

And I seem to have developed a cold .... ?

Like this maybe?

www.gov.scot/news/gbp-500-bonus-for-health-and-social-care-staff/

Definitely Alegrias
So sensible.

Not sure about Agency staff Avalon I know the NHS is charged a lot for their services but I thought a lot of that went to the Agency and a small proportion to the actual staff.