Preferred pronoun badges at the Halifax bank.

Thank you for the links, FarNorth.

Thanks for the links FarNorth.

No, I think they just keep a running score somewhere....

Unflattering, not repulsive.

I see you are right that 2 cartoons have disappeared, however I haven't heard anything from GN about that. ?

FarNorth

VioletSky the cartoons are unflattering & flippant, yes, but all those situations have already happened and continue to happen.

In the interest of fairness I went back for another look.

It appears two of those pictures have been removed so I can't see them.

Disclaimer, I didn't report and I don't know who did...

But by your own admission, they were unflattering so let's draw a line under that shall we?

StarDreamer here is an account by Maria MacLachlan who, in 2018, had to give evidence about an attack on her by a transwoman (man) and was told by the Judge to refer to the attacker as 'she'.

Although the attacker was found guilty, compensation was not awarded to Ms MacLachlan because she did not always remember to call the man 'she' during her evidence.

www.peaktrans.org/district-judge-kenneth-grant/

Here is an article on the December 2021 revision of the Equal Treatment Bench Book which begins to address some of the difficulties which trans ideology creates in a court setting.

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2022/01/03/the-new-interim-version-of-the-equal-treatment-bench-book/

OK FarNorth

You do you.....

I don't know how that works StarDreamer but it does. The victim is instructed to refer to her assailant by that person's preferred pronoun.

Imagine the scenario. The victim is giving evidence and re living a traumatic experience and cannot refer to her assailant as he. She can't say 'they grabbed me from behind' because that would suggest there was more than one. She can't say 'he' because the accused is identifying as a woman.

There is no comparison between a court room and a bank is there.

Likewise, there is no comparison between the cartoons we saw and one that depicts a feminist and a liberal with hairy legs, an angry mouth. As you say FarNorth the cartoon representations of the transwomen were not repulsive.

It is.
There was nothing like that in the 'trans' cartoons.

VioletSky

FarNorth, I think what she is asking for is reasonable.... the cartoon. Does. NOT

That is the point

Oh and the tag line was that the reasonable things we asked for would lead to us all eventually crushing their balls and murdering male babies... for some reason. Whilst some women have done both those things, it's still ridiculous to assume any of the rest of us would want that right?

Smileless2012

That was my point FarNorth, there is no leniency or understanding in a court of law when the female victim of a crime perpetrated by a man is required to her refer to her assailant as 'she'.

Smileless2012 wrote ... the female victim of a crime perpetrated by a man is required to her refer to her assailant as 'she'

How does that work?

Does somebody (if so who?) say to her something like "You must refer to the accused as 'she'"?

Could the victim refer to the person as "the accused" and avoid using the word she?

If one can avoid saying 'she' at the Halifax then can one avoid saying 'she' in a courtroom?

Could the victim say "I am on oath to tell nothing but the truth and my evidence is that the accused is a man".

FarNorth, I think what she is asking for is reasonable.... the cartoon. Does. NOT

That is the point

So, in that cartoon, the woman is made to look repulsive while she is saying something reasonable?
In the cartoons I posted, the transwomen do not look repulsive and are doing & saying things which are not reasonable and which genuinely are part of the "trans rights" currently being demanded, and given.

Wouldnt offend me. Lots of men dont like feminists. I am of the view that if lots of men are cheering on your feminism it's probably not feminism

There is something I could post that highlights what I mean. But it is also vile and I don't want it in the wrong hands by sharing.

It depicts a feminist and a liberal with hairy legs, dirty clothes, an angry shouting mouth, and well a lot more but basically a stereotype of a feminist shared by (some) men who deem us unattractive and worthless.

The woman is asking for basic feminist principles.

I am OK with disagreeing on that point FarNorth I can see the arguments either way but that's where I land at the moment.

The cartoons were vile and whatever message you saw.... it is clear to me that others are more black and white and that is why I think they are vile.... and actually dangerous and also deeply upsetting.

I can only be honest

That was my point FarNorth, there is no leniency or understanding in a court of law when the female victim of a crime perpetrated by a man is required to her refer to her assailant as 'she'.

Unfortunately, victims of some violent men have been compelled to refer to their attacker as 'she' and I agree with you VS that that shouldn't happen.

I was with you up until your last paragraph. What were you getting at here?
I don't ask trans people to do the same and police extreme views when hate crime is so high and outing themselves as trans, may put them in danger.

And Also cartoons ?

The cartoons were illustrating situations that do happen. There is no implication that "all transwomen" do all those things, if that's what you meant.

OK Smileless

Exactly MissA it isn't personal, it's a debate.

That's really odd when it is one of the things I do agree is an issue.... is what I was trying to say....

But here we are regardless

Quite simply, you hold views that others don't.
I get the same response about certain unpopular views I hold.

I don't take it personally, though, neither does it change my views.

VioletSky

Not sure why you are repeating what I said in different words then using it as an argument against me "Smileless"

Also cartoons.

Try again

It's what one does to show that they're disagreeing with a point of view, and why.

Not sure why you are repeating what I said in different words then using it as an argument against me "Smileless"

Also cartoons.