The Five Demands

I agree with all these. They are choices that Governments can make, our Government will not make those choices, neither will our official opposition

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Ah, the Corbyn project.
Unicorns and rainbows all round.

Some people just don’t think their idealistic demands through - if they did they would realise that some of the consequences would adversely affect them, not just ‘the rich’.

So, it's a Corbyn project. The LP had some good ideas in their last 2 election manifestos which, if they'd been enacted would see more people better and fewer people having to use food banks.

Of course, if you support the latest Tory budget and the increase in the maximum annual pension contributions allowed to £60k then obviously you will disagree with the OP.

Not so Dinahmo
I’m a Labour voter and I don’t agree with the OP.
I get sick of lazy assumptions.

Germanshepherdsmum

Some people just don’t think their idealistic demands through - if they did they would realise that some of the consequences would adversely affect them, not just ‘the rich’.

Can you elaborate on the consequences that would have adverse effects?

Labour have already said they'll renationalise rail as the franchises expire, and will start up a National energy company.

I agree with Dinahmo. There were some good things in the last 2 Labour manifestos.

Yammy

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Not sure how you work that out. We all post under pseudonyms.

Well Maizie, just for starters the effect on prices of a leap to a £15 minimum wage and the effect on availability of rental properties of private landlords selling up if a rent freeze and inability to regain possession are threatened.

Yammy, by googling your username anyone can find your posts under that username, they can’t find out who you are.

www.epi.org/blog/inflation-minimum-wages-and-profits-protecting-low-wage-workers-from-inflation-means-raising-the-minimum-wage/

Why increasing the minimum wage doesn't imply a detrimental effect on prices. That's an old right wing excuse that doesn't work any more.

Oreo

Not so Dinahmo
I’m a Labour voter and I don’t agree with the OP.
I get sick of lazy assumptions.

It wasn't an assumption - it was a question.

Hoho volver. ‘Margins can absorb this small price pressure’ - the article assumes gradual increases in minimum wage, which we have each year. I don’t think OP was suggesting ‘gradual’.

You "don't think" so?

Oh, that's OK then.

Here we go...

If you read OP’s link you will see there’s nothing ‘gradual’ about the ‘demands’.

The National Minimum Wage was introduced in 1998, and it was argued against using exactly the same argument you're now using, GSM. While it had some effect on increased prices it had no over all inflationary effect as can be seen here:

www.rateinflation.com/inflation-rate/uk-historical-inflation-rate/

I don't see why we can't have a rent freeze, after all, many people have had wages freezes for the last decade; what's the difference, it's all frozen income. If landlords don't like it they can sell to people who are actually wanting a home, not a money spinner.

(I don't recall a great deal of sympathy for people who lost their jobs when Thatcher destroyed British industry. Tebbit told them to get on their bikes and look for work. Landlords could do likewise)

And Labour are wanting to build more housing. It's not a 'Corbyn Thing', it's a Labour 'Thing'. Landlords only have the upper hand because we have a severe housing shortage.

Private rents have been frozen here ,in Scotland ,since Covid hit .Evictions are banned although there are a couple of get out clauses but the circumstances to take a home away from the tenant have to be extreme .
I dont know any landlords who are jumping ship ..we certainly aren't and in fact 2021-2023 has seen us spend massive amounts on upgrading /refurbing ,putting carpets in to replace hard floors to help tenants with energy costs .Replacing boilers removing chimneys etc .
We've been renting homes for over 25 years,the rent is incidental...the profit comes on selling ...between tenancies
Most of our tenents have been with us over 5 years

Landlords won’t be selling to people who can only afford to rent will they?

Germanshepherdsmum

Landlords won’t be selling to people who can only afford to rent will they?

A lot of people pay as much for rent as they would on a mortgage, if not more. It's only the lack of a deposit that prevents them buying.

Perhaps all those ex rented houses you foresee will flood the market and bring house prices down, too...

No difficulty is insuperable...

I live in South East and talk to a much younger fellow dog walker who having sold her house is looking (temporarily ) for a place to rent.

House similar to the one she had 3 bedroom semi.
£2800pm
End of Terrace - smaller £1900.

Renting is not cheap.

Germanshepherdsmum

Some people just don’t think their idealistic demands through - if they did they would realise that some of the consequences would adversely affect them, not just ‘the rich’.

As long as it makes life better and fairer for people I have no objection to it adversely affecting me. It's fairness and a living wage for everyone that motivates me, not what makes me better off.

MaizieD

Yammy

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Not sure how you work that out. We all post under pseudonyms.

Just google your pseudonym followed by grans net all your responses for posts from way back will be there for anyone to see. If you are careful and don't give hints no one will know who you are but a lot of posters probably unintentionally give facts about themselves and family.

I agree with you choughdancer Fairness and a decent life for all our citizens makes a better country for all of us to live in.