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I fear the rise of National Conservatism

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DaisyAnne Mon 24-Apr-23 11:12:25

I have disliked the direction the Conservatives have taken but this is such a stark reflection of the 1930s that I fear it.

Not heard of them? This New Statesman Podcast by Andrew Marr may help you understand who and what they are.

They are holding a conference next month (15 - 17 May). Speakers are to include Jacob Rees Mogg, Michael Gove, Suella Braverman and Danny Kruger. There will be lots of our Union flags, apparently. GB News also seems strongly represented.

Marr is a very knowledgeable man, so can give a much better explanation about where this Nationalist party has come from and why, than I can.

He does explain what the Labour Party are offering - a stronger state built on less centralisation - in reply to the perceived problems that have given the extreme right power around the world to revive nationalism. (He is going to do an analysis of the left in this series)

He also explains the roots of this party, as shown by its website nationalconservatism.org/ and summarises what this means to Rishi Sunak and to the left.

Please watch it before you reply, and don't just guess what it is about. We should both know and understand what this is about and where it is coming from.

JaneJudge Sun 07-May-23 14:08:35

DaisyAnne, thanks for posting the link. When I watched Years and Years on BBC1 I hadn;t realised it was set in the present sad

Curtaintwitcher Mon 08-May-23 10:45:39

This country is in a mess and the decline will continue unless we get a government which actually cares about Great Britain and its people. (I don't include Northern Ireland because I think it will soon leave the UK).

At present we don't have that. We need a new party with a fresh approach, which will put the interests of this country first.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-May-23 10:58:02

Are you advocating for the NCs?

Anniel Tue 09-May-23 13:57:12

Well I was advised to watch this organisation. Iain Dale is investigating further. The Conference starts in London next Monday.
The DT has an article today about it and I think there a lot of Conservatives mulling over its aims. In the comments I smiled about preserving Christianity as in the opinion of one poster it does not seem to follow Jesus’s teachings!

Daisy Anne there is criticism of Nationalist policies and mentions the situation in Scotland and the future of the SNP. What is your opinion on Scottish Nationalism? I certainly have come to think that we need to watch what happens at this Conference

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 10-May-23 09:22:24

I shall be very interested to see what happens at the conference but I strongly suspect that the reality of what the NCs stand for will be diluted to appeal to a UK audience. Their more radical views will not, I think, be aired unless journalists ask appropriate questions.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 15-May-23 16:33:14

A quote from the conference

Tory MP Danny Kruger tells NatCon that Western civilisation is threatened by a "new religion", a mix of "Marxism, narcissism and paganism", conforming to the "dystopian fantasy of John Lennon"

Blimey

Whitewavemark2 Mon 15-May-23 16:40:29

Following on from Bravermans use of the Nazi anti-Semitic conspiracy theory “cultural Marxism” another Tory MP Miriam Cates, has stood up at the conference and used the term.

They are all vying to out-extreme each other.

Anniel Mon 22-May-23 14:41:51

To finish this discussion I have heard this group discussed on radio. Nobody I have heard indicates that political commentators are aware of any political danger. Iain Dale thought calling it the National Conservatism group was a bit dodgy like Nationalist Socialism , but pretty thin reasoning to me. I do not see them becoming influential and am not chilled about them.