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CariGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 11-Sep-17 14:48:11

As many of you will already know from the various discussions we've had on the subject, WASPI is a campaigning group representing almost 3.5 million women born in the 1950s who have been negatively impacted by the lack of notification of the increases in their State Pension age.

WASPI is campaigning to end the huge financial difficulties suffered by this group of women because of the way the changes in the 1995 and 2011 Pension Acts were implemented. Successive Governments did not give the women affected by these changes sufficient notice that their State Pension age would be increasing, meaning that WASPI women have had no time to put in place alternative financial arrangements to see them through to the new state retirement age. Some women have lost as much as £45,000.

Founded by just five ordinary women in 2015, the WASPI movement has grown and now has over 70,000 supporters and 140 local groups across the UK. WASPI has secured support from the Labour, SNP, DUP and Women and Equalities parties and has raised £100,000 through CrowdJustice to fund an initial legal campaign.

Jane Cowley is Communications and PR Director for WASPI and has directed the Women Against State Pension Inequality Campaign since 2016. Like so many WASPI women, Jane heard in 2011, only after she had taken early retirement, that she would not receive her pension until she was nearly 66.

If you would like to ask Jane about any aspect of WASPI's work, aims and/or anything else to do with pension inequality, simply add your question to this thread before Monday, 25 September.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 13:21:34

WaspiKate

I am a member of WASPI Ltd and have paid money into the crowd funder for legal action to be taken against the government. I have written all the letters proscribed by Bindmans and Waspi and await the outcome BUT this is not legal action against the government, it is a complaint about maladministration of a government department. What is happening about the promised legal action and why are we not being kept informed?

The WASPI campaign raised £100,000 through CrowdJustice to fund an initial legal campaign. We were blown away by the number of WASPI women like yourself willing to reach into their own pockets to fund our activities, showing just how important the campaign is.

The Crowdjustice appeal clearly stated:

“Our initial target will allow us to take advice on judicial review in parallel with preparing materials to assist with maladministration complaints. Our stretch target will provide the start of funding for us to engage in legal correspondence with the DWP and pursue the legal challenges identified through the legal advice we intend to obtain.”

This is how the funds are still being used.

Our lawyers, Bindmans have advised that a mass action complaint against the Department for Work and Pensions is currently the most effective legal avenue to pursue, both in terms of time and cost. Acting under the advice of Bindmans, we are therefore pursuing the maladministration case in the first instance. We are confident that this will give us the best chance of success, and ensure that women affected by State Pension age rises are fully compensated for their loss.

The DWP mass action complaint has now been going on for some months, with over 4000 letters sent by Waspi women to the DWP that have got through to the final stage of the complaints process. WASPI is continuing to encourage its members to write to the DWP, with hundreds more letters being sent every week.

Everyone who has contributed to the Crowdjustice campaign and/or has become a member receives emails keeping them up to date with the legal campaign whenever there is something new to report.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 13:16:56

mrsmopp

I was born in the 1940s, so my pension was payable from age 60. However we needed 40 years contributions for a full pension and not many of us qualified for that due to gaps in working years because of childcare. There was little provision for childcare in the 60s, so most of us had a career break, causing a shortfall in number of qualifying years. I understand now that a NI record can be credited for those years so we have also missed out.

If a wife cannot claim a pension now till age 67, can her husband claim for her on his contributions, or has that been taken away also? Why aren't women MPs making more noise about this?

WASPI are acutely aware of this problem. However, the main drive of our campaign isn't to focus on previous poor performances, but to look forward to how we can amend things for WASPI women.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 13:11:50

Dignity56

So many 1950s women have researched the background of the baffling timetable and found statements by Ministers and advisory boards. Waspi Board members don't seem to use this information. Why not pass it along to coordinators and Bindmans ?

WASPI directors are acutely aware of the inadequacies of the timetable of the new State Pension Ages and do bring this information to bear in discussions with MPs. However, the main thrust of our campaign is not to look back at how badly things were done, but to look forward to how we can put things right for WASPI women.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 13:09:49

GracesGranMK2

I am one of the lucky ones who was born before the WASPI dates but I would like to support the campaign. Is there a legal challenge being made and if so is there anywhere I can contribute?

The WASPI Campaign has launched a mass action complaint against the Department for Work and Pensions on the basis that 1950s women were not given adequate notice about changes to their State Pension Age. As part of this, we are encouraging WASPI women to make a formal complaint to the Department for Work and Pensions on the basis of maladministration.

Although the legal complaint can only be made by women affected, we would ask you to support the campaign by alternative means. You can engage with us on social media, and help us spread the WASPI message, or you could write to your local MP and ask them to support WASPI women in your constituency. You can also donate to our campaign online here:

www.waspi.co.uk/membership

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 13:04:45

Grannybeth

Is Labour supporting all 50's women. Dawn Butler said in an article on 11th September

"Labour during the General Election called for pension credits to be extended to women affected to help end the plight of the tens of thousands of women abandoned to live in poverty by the Tory Government’s changes to their state pension age"

Read more at: inews.co.uk/opinion/dawn-butler-pledge-waspi-women/

WASPI is campaigning for all 1950s born women affected by the State Pension Age rise mismanagement. As we've previously mentioned, there have been some reports in the media of the Labour Party proposing a solution that may not encompass the whole group of 1950s women. WASPI's been clear that it will not accept this and we're working closely with Labour leadership to reach a solution that works for all.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 12:55:14

grabba

What has happened to the legal case?

Our lawyers, Bindmans have advised that a mass action complaint against the Department for Work and Pensions is currently the most effective legal avenue to pursue, both in terms of cost and time. This has now been going on for some months, with over 4000 letters sent by WASPI women to the DWP that have got through to the final stage of the complaints process. WASPI is continuing to encourage its members to write to the DWP, with hundreds more letters being sent every week.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 12:52:17

gillybob

I'm 55, not in the best of health and feel like I will be working until I drop dead. The goal posts are forever moving. My husband is 10 years older than me and we hoped he could work until 70 and we could retire together when I was 60. Sadly no longer to be with my projected retirement age now set st 67.5. It's not fair .

WASPI agrees that the State Pension Age for women should be brought in line with that of men. However, millions of women born in the 1950s were not given adequate warning of increases to their State Pension Age. This left some women with less than a year to prepare for a six-year change.

This poor communication has meant that many 1950s women are suffering huge financial difficulties because of the changes implemented in the 1995 and 2011 Pension Acts. Some will lose up to £45,000, with no time to put in place alternative financial arrangements to see them through to the new state retirement age.

The lack of notice has also meant that instances in like yours, couples did not have sufficient time to make arrangements to change their work patterns so that they could enjoy retirement together.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 12:49:00

Ilovecheese

Are WASPI also highlighting the fact that the number of qualifying years has also increased from 30 to 35. So that while we thought we had enough years to get the full pension if we had 30 years, we then found out we had to pay extra?

The WASPI Campaign has launched a mass action complaint against the Department for Work and Pensions on the basis that 1950s women were not given adequate notice about changes to their State Pension Age. As you correctly mention, there are other changes that were potentially unfair for some women during this period, including the rules surrounding National Insurance contributions; Pension Credit; and contracting out.

We have been encouraging women affected by these changes to include them in their complaint to the Department for Work and Pensions. We also continue to raise this issue in our discussions with Parliamentarians, and our on-going media work.

WASPI Wed 18-Oct-17 12:45:11

GranJan60

Very confused since Carolyn Harris's latest efforts to help. Is this now just for women born 1953 or earlier? I am 63 and redundant 3 years ago. Unable to get another job though qualified, I got only 6m JSA and am now reliant on my husband's pension. NO income of my own for another 2.5 years, after 45 years of work. Disgusting to be abandoned by Government to life with no independence or self respect.

WASPI campaigns for all 1950s born women affected by the mismanagement of State Pension Age rises. There have been some reports in the media of a solution proposed by the Labour Party that may not encompass the whole group of 1950s women. WASPI has been clear that it will not accept this. We are working closely with Labour leadership to get a solution that works for everyone.

durhamjen Thu 28-Sep-17 23:43:55

"Since 1995 the Government has gone to significant lengths to communicate SPa changes. There will be no further concessions on this issue to avoid placing an unfair burden on working age people. "

Still only 61,000+ signatures, so get others to sign up if you want it debated properly.

Chewbacca Thu 28-Sep-17 23:25:13

I received a response to the petition that I signed a few weeks ago. This is part of the response that I received today. Broadly, it says that the government have no intention of making any allowances at all.

^ Failing to act in light of compelling demographic evidence would have been irresponsible and would have placed an unfair fiscal burden on the working population.^

The Government has done a huge amount to improve pensions for all, particularly women. Future women pensioners stand to benefit on average from a higher new State Pension payment, from the expansion of Automatic Enrolment, and our Fuller Working Lives strategy. And a woman retiring today can still expect to receive the State Pension for over 24.5 years on average – three years longer than men. If State Pension ages had not been equalised, women would be expected to spend over 40% of their adult life in retirement.

glassortwo Thu 28-Sep-17 23:06:34

I am 1956 woman so have to wait until 2022 for my pension, but I feel the Waspi ask is not realistic and TM an the government wont even look at it.
We need to join forces as we are stronger in number and remember that we paid in our contributions and employers have paid in to the fund. Its is our money and the government have stolen what is ours!
Look on Facebook for the many groups that are fighting this pension injustice.

Primrose65 Thu 28-Sep-17 20:17:00

A question for GN - any idea when the answers are going to be provided?

Maggiemaybe Wed 27-Sep-17 08:38:24

I have a quick question if it's not too late. Even though I'm a member, I'd like to know why WASPI is so against the "cost neutral" option that occasionally crops up, whereby both women and men could opt to take a reduced pension from an earlier age. It's not compensation (presumably the fight for this would go on), and in a purely financial sense there would be losers (who lived to a ripe old age on that smaller pension) and winners (who died sooner, but at least had their pension for a couple of extra years). It's a system that's already offered in other countries, notably Germany. I feel that for some women, particularly those with health issues that give them a shorter life expectancy, this might be a choice they'd like to have.

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Tue 26-Sep-17 14:35:41

Questions being sent over shortly - answers coming up as soon as we have them

WaspiKate Mon 25-Sep-17 11:32:40

I am a member of WASPI Ltd and have paid money into the crowd funder for legal action to be taken against the government. I have written all the letters proscribed by Bindmans and Waspi and await the outcome BUT this is not legal action against the government, it is a complaint about maladministration of a government department. What is happening about the promised legal action and why are we not being kept informed?

GracesGranMK2 Mon 18-Sep-17 08:28:57

That's what you would have got at 60 though. The argument was that over a lifetime you will get a higher level so you gave up (!) some early years to pay for that - but you won't!

What a mess.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 18-Sep-17 08:26:54

Mmm. I shall have to put some little grey cells to work on that (and there aren't so many these dayssmile)

Can I use some of yours? The base level for the new pension is £159.55 and they are calculating that in some cases includes S2P and in some cases doesn't? In either case you start with the £159.55 figure and work from there. They then reduce this amount if you have contracted out. I am not sure but that feels like a double whammy - or is it? And is it fair to those on a small but just over the Pension Credit level income on the old scheme?

I like the idea of a Basic Income! Everyone gets the same basic and it's enough to take you past of all income-related benefits except housing (because housing is impossible to solve without houses) and is taxed off those on the highest incomes. ... and I would bet it would be cheaper in the long run!

Maggiemaybe Sun 17-Sep-17 23:37:13

It's complicated. As I understand it, the S2P element is now incorporated into what people see as the new universal pension, the £159, so that amount can be cut drastically if the claimant has been contracted out. Transitional arrangements are in place, so for the next few years new claimants will get what they were entitled to under the old or the new system, whichever is the higher. In my case, being contracted out for several years takes my "new system" entitlement down to £100, despite a 41 year NI record. I would have been due slightly more than the basic £122 under the previous system, so that's what I'll get when I'm 66.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 17-Sep-17 22:08:30

Ah - true Maggiemaybe. Surely it isn't effecting both now?

Maggiemaybe Sun 17-Sep-17 21:40:40

Opting out used to affect the SERPS/S2P element of the state pension, not the base rate.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 17-Sep-17 19:29:07

Opting out it has always effected your state pension calculation Maggiemaybe. You are right that everyone should apply for a pension statement. It has always been the case that there were shocks to be had if you didn't.

Maggiemaybe Sun 17-Sep-17 18:29:21

Sorry, I should of course have said that most people who ever opted out will not get the full higher pension, as it's dependent on how many non opted-out years they paid in.

Maggiemaybe Sun 17-Sep-17 18:20:56

No one who ever opted out will get the higher basic pension, as opted out years no longer count towards it. Anyone nearing retirement should apply for a pension statement and some will, I'm afraid, be in for a nasty shock.

Breda Sun 17-Sep-17 16:16:52

Thanks Kateykrunch. I am going to check it again and try to sort out what's happened. I was at school until 18 and so wouldn't have had credits then. However, my concern is that the years I was at home with the two younger children both born after 1978 don't appear to have been recognised. I don't understand why they can't simply use the information that they must have on their records. I've either been at home with caring responsibilities or at work paying N.I at a qualifying rate. At the moment it looks as if when I'm eligible to claim my pension it will be about £20 per week lower than the standard rate.