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Hi Goose; I was thinking about you the other day. You are, at least building a few bridges but it seems to be taking forever.

Hello Goose I have only been on this forum for a couple of months so haven't seen a post from you before. Being able to pour my own heart out here has been a life line. I hope that doing so has helped, if only a little. to help you along. Last Christmas was a terrible time for us, and although this year will be a little bit easier, I know it wont be easy. Wasn't it lovely when we could enjoy all those weeks of festive build up?

I buy the occasional gift for my gs. to put in a memory box for him, together with poems I began to write before he was born. I got two 'Twas The Night Before Christmas' books today. One to leave on the door step and one for his box in case he doesn't receive his, for his second Christmas.

Being so young, the book wont really mean anything to him but it will to my S. He'll know what it is before he opens it. You see my bro. bought it for my eldest son's 1st Christmas (he still has it), and I read it to them at bed time, every Christmas Eve for years. I'm going to write the same message in the front of both copies. "Nanna ..... used to read this to your daddy and Uncle .... every Christmas Eve when they were little boys. I hope daddy will do the same for you".

You are right Kiora loving does sometimes have a terrible price. I no longer know if I believe in the old adage that it is better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all.

I'm glad Celebgran that I'm not the only one with a jar of mince meat in the cupboard left over from last year. Your too honest. You could have just left me to admire your efficiency . Hubby bought himself some fake ring piercings. Put two on his nose, three on his top lip, one on each of his nostrils and two on each ear. Interrupted one of the best times of my day - talking to my gransnet buddies - to get me to take a photo so he can put it on FB. Looks quite good, if you're in to that sort of thing which usually I'm not.

Try not to worry about your oh Celebgran. Going to work probably helps to keep his mind of things for a few hours. Relax, have a on me.

Hope all is well with you Yogagirl. Catch up with you all again tomorrow I hope.

Welcome back goose and yes we seems be great little team supporting each other on here.

Back later got drive oh work !

Happy monday to us all thanks smiless good advice bit late as had go at him grrr I never learn keep mouth shut expect that's why my daughter has disowned me but don't really believe that

Morning Girls
Hope you're feeling better today Celebgran, save a mince pie for me, they sound yummy
Talking about births again, my D was born within 15mins of my waters braking!! but really painful, she was just 6lbs, I went into shock the next afternoon (she was born at about 2am) but again I was on my own and just got through it, so frightening. My D doesn't like me telling anyone this, but she was born on the toilet, didn't go down, I sort of pulled her up onto my tummy, my ND now says " bet you wish you'd let her drop down the toilet now"
I had a lovely lunch out yesterday, one of my friends B/day, we had champagne stayed in the restaurant from 2-7
Sorry you're having nightmares Smileless, I used to, but dont anymore (as far as I know), even with those 'Kalms nights' I'm still not sleeping well. Soooo sweet about the Christmas book! God if that doesn't melt your S heart, I don't know what will
Hello again Goose nice to hear from you again and stay in touch with us on here, it really does help to talk. Sorry to hear not much improvement for you and yes Christmas does make it all the more painful.
Got to dash meeting my sister in Lakeside for lunch and a bit of retail therapy
to you all. xx

Thanks Yogagirl for getting my day started with a laugh. Wonder if I can find a toilet big enough to flush my son away in. Every thing in the USA seems to be bigger so who knows . 5 hours for lunch you bad girl; now that's a lot of champers. Bet you slept better last night. Hope so. Enjoy your retail therapy, I had some of that yesterday and it does make you feel good doesn't it .

So jars of mincemeat aren't the only thing we have in common Celebgran I too find it difficult to keep my mouth shut my tongue can be a bit of a lethal weapon but only under extreme provocation. Your oh knows you are only concerned about his welfare, and that will be only one of the things he loves about you.

Hello Goose how are you doing today? OK I hope. You seem to be moving in the right direction with your girls. Hope things continue to improve for you.

Smiless thank you for kind words well reckon got brownie points today took oh coffee in specially! He texted me forgot it.

Had lovely Toby lunch with my oldest friend daughters godmother cut out of their lives also of course.

For once felt relaxed and was lovely time, went back to hers for good old natter coffees and matchmakers just to be sociable !
It has put strain on our friendship as they were extremely close to Victoria our daughter but fortunately we still very good friends.
At first even tho s I law rang and cut them put Victoria would still sent the. Xmas and birthday cards that has dwindled now but it was upsetting for us and she wrote to her randomly a year ago but asking her godmother to write back but then nothing. Very strange.

Yogagirl you very welcome to mince pies ! They were delish must admit sorry you still not sleeping. Is very hard time year coming up. Have you tried milky drinks ? Lavendar oil in bath?

Goose sorry things not progressed that quickly do hope they will.
At least you have so e contact which is 100% more than us.
Happy evening to everyone

It's my pleasure Celebgran to give kind words to a kind lady such as your self. So pleased you've had a nice day and were able to relax and that your friendship with your d's god parents has remained. It would have been upsetting when your D wrote, asking her godmother, your friend to contact her.

I find it very upsetting when I know my m.i.l. has seen our S and gs. Doesn't happen very often and I guess I shouldn't be so mean spirited, but it's difficult trying to ignore the elephant in the room when she's been visited by said elephant. Hope that makes sense.

Hope your retail therapy went well Yogagirl and you didn't spend too much. Have a good and pleasant evening every one

Morning Girls
Nice to hear you had a lovely Sunday lunch with your friend Celebgran this situation puts a strain on all of our relationships, its like a tidal wave effect!
I had a lovely lunch with my sister, bought too much, but I don't like going shopping any more, so first time for ages, got some nice Xmas gifts, and for my S, in the hope I'll still see him Xmas. Its my D and s.i.l 2nd ann. today!! I always wonder if anything will happen on special occasions, with the booz flowing!
Hope you've heard some more news Smileless re your d.i.l's family, you never know where this may lead to.
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Hello one and all. No to send you today as there is a tropical storm going on at the moment. Might have to go on a little shopping spree. You know just to kill some time and keep us out of the rain.

Glad you enjoyed your shopping trip Yogagirl. Not the best time of the year to be around the shops is it when you're in the sit. we are all in, with all the Christmas things to pull at our heart strings. Still there are others we can buy for. Hope you do see your S at Christmas. That's one of those gifts that money cannot buy.

What are you up to today Celebgran? Something nice I hope.

There is a young family staying next door at the moment. Two little girls, one 4 and the other 2. They were splashing around in the pool yesterday; laughing and screaming. Our little gs would have loved it here, I just know he would have. They are depriving him, not just us. I wonder what he will think, if things don't change, when he is older and realises what his parents did.

As I've no to send you all I'm sending instead.

Hi smileless hope you managed keep amused while storm going on !

I had busy busy day acquacise then met my friend Christine for lunch have become lady who lunches, bless her she wanted treat me as thank you for my support (sadly her partner left her after 30 years quite recently I would not let her she can't afford it but did let her treat me to yummy hot choc!

Am tired so feel bit down now stupid.

I met Christine through my oldest friend and now find she is quizzing her about how often we see each other and contact each other! Omg talk about possessive!

Shame as we had lovely time yesterday.

So cold I had tin low cal soup when got i and did not really like it!

Yogagirl glad you enjoyed shops. Is hard I feel so upset only got small gifts for the little girls but so difficult.

My brothers grandaughter who is 7 months coming see us Thursday hope I cope ok!

Storm blew over quite quickly Celebgran so we went out for the day to Universal Studios. Went on my fav. ride E.T. and hubby bought me E.T. number 5. You see I'm really just a big kid at heart .

Got a little confused reading your post . Is the friend you had lunch with today being quizzed by the lady you lunched with yesterday; your D's godmother? Sorry if I'm being a bit thick .

I had a rather yummy hot choc as well this afternoon, ant 2 very yummy cocktails at lunch time, they were called Ocean Sides, never had them before but will defo. have them again!

Hope you enjoy seeing your brother's grandd. on Thursday. It is hard; I'll be thinking of you.

Have a peaceful night all of you. Sleep well Yogagirl

Morning Girls
Yes Smileless your GS is missing all that lovely splashing around in your pool, he prob would have made good friends with the little girls next door too. I think the same about, when they grow, what will they think. My little Laila is no blood relation to her mum's (my D) husband and family, her real and devoted nannie and auntie living just round the corner, 'crying' for her and her brother every day, so sad, and I'm sure she will be very sad when she fines out later. Those cocktails sound yummy, even with the storms,Florida is lovely, I remember Africa (when I lived there) the storms were fantastic to watch!
Nice to hear you had a lovely lunch out with your new friend Celebgran, you gravitate to people in similar situ. my friend was left by her partner of 3yrs, she thought they were to wed. so she's very upset. We have both agreed its ok to burn each others ears off about our situations, as we know others are prob bit bored with our stories now, so we are good support for each other. It's good to have a friend like that, to off load on and they don't mind. Enjoy your time with your brothers GC, keep your situ. out of your mind when they visit and you will enjoy the little one.
Must stop to speak to my ND before she starts work. Bye for now

You not thick at all smiless you got it spot on as always!

Lynn my daughter godmother is very possessive, why could she. To have asked me? She been friends longer with other lady but does that matter ?
All too childish was upset when enjoyed our time together Monday the find she been quizzing Christine we all different!

See little Danika once month or so always half dread it but her mum is lovely and I can't let Tor. Ruin what ok have left!

On sad note again sent very friendly peace making text to my. Ie e asking if we could still see children or buy the. Xmas present as usual last night. Zero reply also posted photos we took last Xmas at their play about 3 weeks ago.
Have To leave that one now.

ET sounds good! We never been to Florida or America come to that apart from North America ie cruise round Alaska and Canadian Rockies.
Glad storm was short lived.

On brighter note email from friend made she doing my course 2 years ago making lunch date which I can do! I normally contact her and sadly double booked myself last time ha ha so that was good. Cheered me up.

God that typing awful meant my niece ! Can't go quick on this thing !

Got up an hour ago to a lovely blue sky. One hour later the wind is blowing, very hard and it is raining, also very hard. Yes ladies I am still in Florida and watching another tropical storm! should blow over in a couple of hours.

You're right that we gravitate to people who are having sim. problems Yogagirl and they to us. May be we have an invisible sign on our fore heads that only fellow sufferers can see . Every one we know is very nice and always ask us how we're doing, but you just know that a few are asking to be polite and just want you to reply that you're OK. They don't want any up date on the heart ache. Still it's good of them to ask.

Isn't it infuriating Celebgran when a pleasant and friendly email or text goes unanswered. It makes me so angry when it happens to me my imagination goes in to auto drive, and there's every possibility that there is a simple explanation to the lack of response. You're right to leave it for now, but it's so hard isn't it.

Enjoy little Danika. Close your eyes when you give her a hug and think of your own gc. Squeeze her extra tightly and that one can be from me to my darling gs.

I love the way you type by the way.

Have a great day every one if you can, and if this one isn't all that good, hope for a better one tomorrow!

Ah! Celebgran, firstly well done in writing the letter to your niece, it's early days yet, you may get a reply, so don't give up hope. As we've said on here, this bad situation seems to spread like the plague and effects everyone in the family.
Did you steal our English weather and take it to Florida with you Smileless? sounds like it , ok we'll do a straight swap, so send over the Florida

You're more than welcome to some Yogagirl but the weather here not as good as I'd hoped. The forecast is sunny for tomorrow but cool, very cool mid 60's if we're lucky. Should start to warm up again on Friday; hope so but am getting a little paranoid and wondering if our dark cloud has decided to come over here instead of staying back in the UK!

Poor hubby is in a bit of a dilemma. The big kid - that's me by the way doesn't think one trip to the Magic Kingdom will be enough so really, really wants to go twice. Now hubby finds once per holiday more than enough. Solution, drop me off and I'll go round on my own for a few hours and then he can pick me up. Dilemma - will he ever see me again.

I have no sense of direction - seriously. It has been known for me to go to the ladies when we've been out for a meal, and because I've not exited from the door I entered, get lost!

When we went back out to the car after lunch today, I was standing there with my hand impatiently on the door handle wondering why it was taking him so long to unlock the passengers side when I suddenly realised I was standing by the wrong car .

If in a few days you suddenly stop hearing from me, you'll know he risked it and hasn't seen me since.

Big day for you tomorrow Celebgran. Enjoy that darling little Danika.

Good night to you all.

I know you'll all be asleep now, and I hope that includes you Yogagirl but thought I'd share some silliness with you all and hopefully you'll start your Thursday with a giggle.

Ordered a chinese take away to be delivered as we couldn't be bothered to go out. Hubby asked me to 'phone it through as they some times have trouble understanding him - join the club . I ordered two half portions of rice and when it came they were enormous.

Hubby up turned the carton and the entire contents landed on to his plate, in almost a solid form. He said I'd ordered enough rice to cover a foot ball pitch and has been making me laugh about it for the last hour.

It's so good to have a laugh and such a relief to have put all these miles between us and our nasty S and his wife, even temporarily. Can't last forever of course but hopefully with fully charged batteries on my return I'll be able to cope a little bit better with all the nastiness.

Smileless what are you like. I am bad at direction too though, I remember when I lived in Africa, we went to a revolving restaurant, so after going to the loo, our table was nowhere to be seen . Good for you, having a laugh with your football pitch size rice portion, thats the USA for you! It does make you feel better being away, when I first went away after all the bad stuff, I didn't think I'd feel good at all, but I really did, till I got on the plane coming home, then it all hit me again
Enjoy your visit today Celebgran and remember not to let the bad stuff enter your mind, push it away if it does, then you can enjoy the little one

Hi smiless and yogagirl got text from Monika while I was at acquacise to say she is exhausted after day London yesterday so not coming!
Oh had been bought cakes may try return some think of my weight!

Felt bit tearful as was looking forward to that she did say busy week not sure just feel low what with my niece ignoring me etc!

Glad you still enjoying hol smiless!

Was funny about the rice ! Is it true about large portions in America.?

Oh I am sorry Celebgran that your treat today was cancelled, not surprised you felt a little tearful. Now I hope you were sensible and kept all the ; indulge it will help cheer you up.

It really is true about the large portions. Wish I'd taken a pic of the rice and was able to send it you, you wouldn't have believed it. Hubby teased me about it until we went to bed. Was tempted to toss him in to the enormous wheelie bin along with the rest of the rice .

Bad night last night. Kept waking up in between really weird dreams. It's the first bad night I've had since we got here. Not the first bad dreams though. Still more than a week before we go home but woke up with that heavy feeling in my stomach wondering what it will be like when we return. Of course I know what it'll be like, hence that heavy sinking feeling .

Holidays are a real tonic like you say Yogagirl you can't believe how much better they make you feel. Weather forecast was right. For one day and one day only, very, very cool.

Clear blue sky and beautiful [sun] so you don't realise until you open the door that it's not as warm as it should be. Looks can be so deceptive. My d.i.l. appears normal so you've no idea how cold she really is [hmmm] Pool is heated so will still go for a swim.

Have a good day every one. Enjoy those Celebgran

I know smiless guess what oh took 2 back and others were not so good Belgium buns but all doughy! So had some quality street to. Make up for it!

Just seen billy fury tribute was very good I was only 4 when he started but love some of his songs.

I think I may be I. Danger of trying too hard with my brothers Gra daughter because of my situation possibly. I had few tears as felts she could have rung rather than text as did not get it till too late.

Hope all well with you yogagirl and you had good day x

Sorry the [cupcakes] were a little disappointing Celebgran but you can never go wrong with quality street. I don't think it's because you're trying too hard, you're understandably sensitive and although you were looking forward to seeing your brothers gd. you were also worried about it upsetting you.

I'm sure your niece would be upset if she knew how disappointed you were.
the problem with text messages, they can seem rather impersonal at times.

A friend of ours saw our s the other day. Our s always avoids eye contact or any kind of contact for that matter, but was unable to avoid him. He said hello and asked how he was doing. Said our s looked really miserable and replies 'how do you think' - what a strange thing to say .

Were you busy yesterday Yogagirl what ever you've been up to hope it was good and that you're OK.

for you Celebgran just in case you've eaten all the quality street.

My son divorced and I hardly ever see my gorgeous grandson, now 17yrs.

Hello Girls
Sorry to hear you didn't get your planed visit Celebgran. Things that wouldn't have upset us before all this, now do! I know. I went to a friends exhibition today, but also there were lots of lovely children's things to buy for Xmas. There was a beautiful wooden train with my GS's name on it; Jack, I would have loved to have bought it for him, and a beautiful pink 'treasures' box for Laila (you get her name put on). Father Christmas was there, train rides through wonderland, on, and on, I was given lots of leaflets "for your GC" I had to leave in the end, as I was choking-up
Sorry you're still having nightmares on your hols Smileless Go for that nice swim, it will make you feel better. Like your D.i.l my s.i.l is a charmer, unfortunately only my ND and I have seen his dark side (well, and my D, his wife) Your S doesn't sound happy, I would take that as a good sign for you, maybe that door is opening to let you back in!
I was very depressed yesterday, nearly cried when a friend said, "you never know, you may get a surprise knock on the door" I said "no, that won't happen", I had briefly mentioned not seeing my GC because another friend with us was talking about how she was on FB (few years back) and got a message saying "I think I'm your GD", turned out it was her son's D that he had when he was 18yrs and had lost contact with when she was quite young, she sees her GD a lot now, but against her S wishes as his now wife is jealous. Because she re-connected with her GD, she is now not allowed in her S house (so few yrs of this), she said "she's my GD!!" her S wont/cant see his D, cos of his wife, GD very upset!
My ND coming round in about 15mins, owing to my being a bit depressed, she went shopping near her work lunch time, instead of her planned trip to Lakeside after, she does normally come over on a Friday, anyway it would have been an awful crush at Lakeside for her, with the 'Black Friday shopping'!!
Sorry (yes another sorry) to hear you don't see much of your GS Carolann, mine you at 17yrs they are really into doing their own thing aren't they. Exactly the reason why I want to re-connect with my GC whilst their small and want to be with their nannie (+granddads).
Well I hope my ND is staying for dinner, then we can have a nice long natter with a glass of
and for you all too, well it is Friday! xx