Rolf Harris

There is corroborating evidence in the form of letters sent, and kept, between offender and victim, in those charges that result in a conviction. Interesting that this time Stuart Hall made a guilty plea on one of the charges.

What troubles me about these cases is there is no evidence, just one persons word against another, I think compensation payouts should be stopped too

Printmiss is right in saying that things that were accepted (or tolerated) years ago are viewed differently now (although of course, child abuse was never acceptable). Many of us had to put up with and deal with the sort of groping that would today be considered assault. However, I am all in favour of those guilty of "historical" child abuse being brought to justice.

Am I allowed to comment on historical child neglect ? no one has been charged with this offence, thanks

Yes, I think best to keep Schtum about this till the Jury is out. Wouldn't want to cause any problems.

It's true that we have to watch what we post on an open forum , this is not friends chatting over a coffee.

Time will tell, with all these trials. I think we have all been shocked by the allegations though.

I haven't seen all the details but I don't understand why you think the girls' parents should be charged with child neglect Anniebach?

I think, there, you have a point Anniebach all the 'details' are 'historical'. I am not saying they did or did not happen, merely pointing out that many of these incidents happened several years ago, when of course the young girls/women would be wary of accusing a high flying entertainer of such things, and I believe I have said this before somewhere, that sometimes these actions were 'accepted' (but not in my mind acceptable). Times have changed, thank goodness, and I we are now to judge people on today's values rather than those of the past.

Don't like his art, don't like his singing , no fan. Seems his poor wife is in the wrong because she smiles , he is putting on an act because he is being supported by his wife and daughter . His wife has very poor health , why can it not be they walk slowly because she has to walk at that pace, she does use a wheelchair , suppose if she turned up in that she would be accused of wanting sympathy .

What ever the verdict it's a pity the girls parents cannot be charged with historical child neglect

Innocent till proven guilty - time will tell.

Yes. I'm sure the judge in charge of this case is keeping a very close eye on Gransnet at this time.

As, no doubt, is HQ, so I will shut up.

Perhaps you should listen to what rosequartz has to say as she knows what she is talking about. Having read all of your comments, I am sure that you would not like the trial to be jeopardised. No Ana it is not a dictator state yet but there are laws regarding comments made when a trial is still running.

Interesting outcome from the second Stuart Hall trial. He's been found not guilty of the rape charges.

Tricia The issue with people like Hall/Saville/Clifford and now possibly Harris is that their public persona acts as a cover and they trade on that!
I accept that any positive skills and actions they have done may have appeared 'good' but once you know it has been a 'front' to enable the abuse to happen surely that negates it?

Must agree with glass, I felt sick when I read tricia's post.

Yes. And Galen is sort of a judge. She could be reading this.

So watch it.

Well, public comments on whether a person is innocent or guilty could jeopardise a trial. Just thought I would say......

Leesten carefully. I shall say zees only not-at-all.

We're still allowed to air our opinions, surely? It's not a dictator state yet...

Shhhh!

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This is sub judice. Just thought I would mention it.

Well yes. But you need to be careful on here. you could get flamed

I'm with Gill, I just cannot believe it of Rolf - and actually he has limped for a few year- on the last vet programme a couple of years ago he barely walked at all.
Why would you have an affair with someone who abused you ? and try to blackmail them? My 13 yr old diaries are full of angst, and I sure as hell would have mentioned feeling sad
There were always whispers around saville, and hall, not a word about Rolf

And look at the two coronation street stars - both nor guilty - a woman claiming to have been raped, then goes round his house a well later- absolute tosh ... I speak as someone who has been through this myself, and I couldn't leave the house for a year , except to school and back, and syill bear the physical scars from self harm, although in the 70s it wasnt called that